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DATE 2004-03-09
FROM From: "Inker, Evan"
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] The Berkeley Software Distribution operating systems have much to

Open Source OS
The Berkeley Software Distribution operating systems have much to offer
by Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols


Sometimes, we get a little full of ourselves in the Linux community. We
portray ourselves as the elder statesmen, the users of the oldest open
source operating system around. Except, of course, we're not. The oldest
open source operating systems are the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD)
operating systems, including FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD, the commercial
BSD/OS, and Apple's BSD-based MacOS X.

What's so great about BSD? Plenty. The old daemon might even teach the
penguin a thing or two. Read on, neophytes.

A Brief History of All Things Berkeley

Back in the 1970s, BSD was developed at the University of California at
Berkeley. At the time, it was the cutting edge of Unix operating systems.
Indeed, it's due to the BSDs that Unixes widely support TCP/IP. This network
protocol would first lead to the creation of the Internet, and today, to
almost all local and wide area networking.

In the early 1990s, though, BSD had run into a situation that we in the
Linux world know well. Then, a major company, AT&T, via its Unix Systems
Laboratories (USL) subsidiary, claimed ownership of most of the BSD source
code. Specifically, the USL was going after Berkeley Software Design,
Incorporated (BSDI, now owned by Wind River), makers of what's now called
BSD/OS. Then, as now, the Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD) flew fast and
furious. The result of that case was that first BSDI beat the initial USL
injunctions. Afterwards, Novell bought USL, and rather than continue to
pursue the case, then Novell CEO Ray Noorda famously declared that he'd
rather compete in the marketplace than in court.

(Ironically, Noorda would help fund the creation of Caldera Systems, which
in time, would once more end up with the Unix source code, and change its
name to SCO. While SCO has made threatening noises at BSD, they've devoted
most of their time to making Linux users unhappy. Alas, there's no way that
that SCO CEO Darl McBride will compete in the marketplace instead of the
courthouse.)

Afterwards, the BSDs split, going in several different directions. You can
spend hours arguing over exactly why this happened, but the "Reader's
Digest" version is that the creators of BSD all had different ideas on the
next, best direction for the operating system. So, today, we have five
mainstream BSD variants.

The BSDs share superior security, scalability, and networking. From a
distance, except for MacOS X, the variants look very much alike. But close
up, each one has its own strengths.

Unfortunately, many people, even those who are operating system savvy, don't
know the BSDs. Obscurity doesn't mean a lack of success, though. BSD has
become a quiet success. MacOS X is the ultimate Unix-style desktop, and the
BSDs are found pushing network requests at some of the biggest Web sites
around. Indeed, Yahoo, one of the biggest of the big, runs on FreeBSD.

Apple MacOS X

For some reason, many Unix/Linux/BSD users seem slightly ashamed of MacOS X.
Perhaps it's because Apple built a great desktop Unix by going their own
way. You'll find none of the KDE/Gnome debates that eat up bandwidth in
Linux discussion lists in Apple circles. Why should there be? The very best
Linux interfaces pale besides the glory that is Aqua, the MacOS X user
interface.

MacOS X, of course, is the leading Unix desktop operating system of all
time. It may not look like a Unix variant to you, but underneath its glossy
exterior lays an operating system based on the 4.4BSD-Lite2 Open Source
distribution and the Open Software Foundation Mach 3.

MacOS X, while based on open source, isn't open source itself. Darwin, its
core operating system, is open source. You can download one version of it
from the Gnu-Darwin home page at http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net. However,
for MacOS X proper, there are many layers of proprietary software such as
Cocoa, Quartz 2D, QuickTime, and OpenGL implementations for graphics, so you
simply cannot download Gnu-Darwin and start running MacOS X on an x86
system.

BSD/OS

Wind River's BSD/OS 5.0 Internet Server Edition
(http://www.windriver.com/products/bsd_os/index.html) is a BSD open source
operating system that's meant mostly, as the name says, for Internet
services. As such, it includes built-in IPV6 support and hardened security.
It also includes support for Linux applications.

The technical strong point of BSD/OS is its Symmetric Multiprocessing (SMP)
capability. The other BSDs do far less well with multiple processors. It is,
however, confined to the x86 CPU family.

BSD/OS 5's real advantage is that it's the only server-oriented BSD
distribution that comes with commercial support. Support is available for
the others, but you'll have to hunt around for it. Thus, if you're in a
company that won't even consider an operating system unless it has corporate
support behind it, BSD/OS is the BSD variant for you.

FreeBSD

FreeBSD 5.1 (http://www.freebsd.org) is the most well known of the BSDs, and
there's a reason for that: it's one of the operating systems of choice for
web site administrators across the world. Besides Yahoo, major web hosters
like NTT/Verio, InfoSpace, and DataSync rely on FreeBSD. Using FreeBSD, even
more so then in Linux, a single administrator can run tens of thousands of
sites.

Another FreeBSD plus for the "net set" is its extremely fast TCP/IP stack.
FreeBSD delivers TCP/IP-borne network services faster than any other
operating system on the same hardware.

Besides all the other usual BSD/Linux goodies, such as your choice of the
KDE or Gnome interfaces, FreeBSD comes with an interesting concept called
jails. A jail is a virtual machine that runs insecure Unix services. So, for
example, you can run Berkeley Internet Name Domain (BIND), OpenSSL, or
sendmail in individual, private jails. Then, if things go wrong with any one
of those servers, a cracker's ability to use them to attack the rest of the
system is seriously limited. Jails are a novel concept that's remindful of
trusted computing (TC) initiatives, but it doesn't come with the
extraordinary hardware and software costs of most TC schemes.

FreeBSD also has the most public support of the BSDs. One excellent source
of FreeBSD books and information is the FreeBSD Mall
(http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm), formerly known as the Walnut Creek
CD-ROM.

NetBSD

NetBSD's 1.6.1 (http://www.netbsd.org) claim to fame is that it runs on
anything. No, seriously, almost anything. Amigas? No problem. NetBSD ran on
Playstation IIs long before Linux got there. AMD Opteron? Yeah. NetBSD was
ported there back in 2001 when the chip was barely alpha. If you know the
operating system business, you can probably guess where this is going. Yes,
NetBSD is the BSD of choice for embedded systems.

While you can run NetBSD as a desktop operating system -- indeed, there was
a commercial NetBSD desktop offered for a brief time -- or as a server, the
real name of the NetBSD game is that you an use it on almost any platform to
write to almost any other platform.

NetBSD, as you might guess, is also very easy to port to other
architectures. NetBSD designers manage this trick because of its Modular
Portability Layer (MPL). The MPL serves as a hardware abstraction layer
(HAL) that completely isolates drivers from the underlying hardware
platform. Programmers can write to the MPL instead of the hardware for much
faster operating system ports. NetBSD developers claim that NetBSD can be
ported in a quarter of the time of other operating systems.

Also, like OpenBSD, NetBSD's developers have focused in security, but not to
the same extent. Portability is their Holy Grail, and then security.

NetBSD isn't the easiest BSD to install. While an old Unix hand will have no
trouble with it, if you think Red Hat 9 requires attention to install
properly, this isn't the operating system for you.

There is, however, a commercialized version of NetBSD from Wasabi Systems
(http://www.wasabisystems.com) that's easier to manage. The Wasabi version
is meant -- no surprise -- for embedded system developers. With it, you can
install NetBSD and an application on systems with as little as a 400K memory
footprint.

OpenBSD

If security is first and foremost in your mind, OpenBSD 3.3
(http://www.openbsd.org) is the operating system for you.

Unlike other operating systems that try to create security by constantly
adding patch band-aids, OpenBSD was built from the start to be secure. How?
By constantly auditing the source code for potential security problems.

For example, buffer overflows, the proximate cause of most Windows problems,
are constantly audited for in OpenBSD. As another example, take OpenBSD's
basic install: most operating system default installs add
everything-and-the-kitchen-sink. In stark contrast, OpenBSD takes a "secure
by default" approach: all non-essential services are disabled. Other
operating systems, such as Windows Server 2003, finally took up this basic
security step, but OpenBSD led the way.

OpenBSD is also the only operating system that incorporates encryption at
every step possible in the operating system. It also makes use of many
encryption chips and devices to improve overall system security.

On the other hand, OpenBSD probably has the least support of the BSDs. That
may be in part because it's hard enough to build an operating system; it's
harder still to keep constantly re-enforcing security at every possible
level. Nevertheless, if you want security in your operating system, OpenBSD
is your best choice, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Licenses and Other Issues

Developers' main reason for considering BSD is the license. Unlike the GPL,
which forbids you to make changes to the source code unless you release it
to the community, you can customize BSD source code, keep it to yourself,
and just sell the binaries. Thus, for developers who like the traditional
software sales business model, BSD, not GPL, is the open source license of
choice.

Users who've never felt quite at home with the GPL also tend to feel more
comfortable with BSD. They feel that there's less chance of them going
astray with BSD if they make minor changes to the source code for in-house
only use.

With all this going for BSD, why haven't you heard more about it?

There are several reasons. For starters, Linux has always had a strong,
centralized group of developers with Linus at the helm. In contrast, the
BSDs have all gone in separate directions, and both individually and
collectively haven't attracted a tenth as much attention from either
developers or the public. BSD fans hate this, but it's simply the truth.
There are dozens of Linux print and online publications and barely any for
BSD. After all, you're reading Linux Magazine and not BSD Magazine.

As time's gone by, the Linux advantage has snowballed. Linux, because it has
far more developers, simply beats out the BSDs when it comes to native
device and independent software vendor (ISV) support. In short, you know
that Linux will almost certainly run on your machine, and that you have a
wide assortment of programs to choose from. With BSD, you must be much more
aware of hardware compatibility, and have far fewer programs to choose from.
This is especially true of desktop applications.

Best on Servers

On the other hand, on the server side, you have all of the typical office
and ISP programs at your beck and call. Like Linux itself, except for MacOS
X, the BSDs work best as servers rather than desktops.

Technically, the BSD authors argue that their operating system is superior.
And, while arguing that point is largely a waste of time, there can be no
question that BSD has some distinct advantages. When it comes to security,
the open source BSDs, especially OpenBSD, are the best in the business. When
it comes to the desktop, MacOS X is the créme de le créme.

For other purposes, though, Linux remains the open source operating system
that most people still choose first.


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  9. 2004-03-12 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: FW: [hangout] Demo CD
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  13. 2004-03-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: FW: [hangout] Demo CD
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  67. 2004-03-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] The Berkeley Software Distribution operating systems have much to
  68. 2004-03-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] XFree86 gets underwhelmed by Linux distro support / Suse 9.1 Due Out
  69. 2004-03-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] XFree86 gets underwhelmed by Linux distro support / Suse 9.1 Due Out
  70. 2004-03-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MEETING ON Wednsday Evening
  71. 2004-03-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Meeting
  72. 2004-03-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Meeting
  73. 2004-03-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Meeting
  74. 2004-03-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Meeting
  75. 2004-03-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More LAke Placid Photos
  76. 2004-03-13 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004
  77. 2004-03-13 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004
  78. 2004-03-13 Josh Rabinowitz <joshr-at-joshr.com> Subject: [hangout] Using Perl with SWISH-E: Talk 3/16
  79. 2004-03-13 From: "ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night - Tonight
  80. 2004-03-13 From: "ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] tech night
  81. 2004-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Wireless connection
  82. 2004-03-16 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] low balling
  83. 2004-03-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] low balling
  84. 2004-03-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PowerBook CDROM is very flakey
  85. 2004-03-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] FSF Event Philadelphia PA March 26, 2004
  86. 2004-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] (fwd) More Supporters of Digital Rights needed!
  87. 2004-03-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] (fwd) More Supporters of Digital Rights needed!
  88. 2004-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] FSF Event Philadelphia PA March 26, 2004
  89. 2004-03-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FSF Event Philadelphia PA March 26, 2004
  90. 2004-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Employment Opportunities - NYC Government
  91. 2004-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Federal CIOs tout benefits of 'open source' software
  92. 2004-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: BricsCAD goes Linux [backoffice2-at-bricscad.com]
  93. 2004-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] My Linux Desktop Odyssey, 2004
  94. 2004-03-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] My Linux Desktop Odyssey, 2004
  95. 2004-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] My Linux Desktop Odyssey, 2004
  96. 2004-03-15 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Linux Desktop Odyssey, 2004
  97. 2004-03-15 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Linux Desktop Odyssey, 2004
  98. 2004-03-15 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] (fwd) More Supporters of Digital Rights needed!
  99. 2004-03-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Court Opens Way to Claim the Public Domain
  100. 2004-03-08 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Fwd: [Patents] Halloween X
  101. 2004-03-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] HP Starts Pushing Desktop Linux
  102. 2004-03-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  103. 2004-03-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] New York City Contracts
  104. 2004-03-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Opinion: Software Freedom Day 2004
  105. 2004-03-17 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Opinion: Software Freedom Day 2004
  106. 2004-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP Starts Pushing Desktop Linux
  107. 2004-03-17 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  108. 2004-03-17 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Luck of the Irish
  109. 2004-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New York City Contracts
  110. 2004-03-17 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] PowerBook CDROM is very flakey
  111. 2004-03-31 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  112. 2004-03-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wal-Mart sells PCs with Sun's Linux
  113. 2004-03-31 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections
  114. 2004-03-31 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  115. 2004-03-31 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections
  116. 2004-03-31 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Elections
  117. 2004-03-31 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Elections
  118. 2004-03-30 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Off to Albany
  119. 2004-03-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft and DRM
  120. 2004-03-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Week Article on Free Softwatre
  121. 2004-03-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Off to Albany
  122. 2004-03-29 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Off to Albany
  123. 2004-03-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] (no subject)
  124. 2004-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] A note to the Group
  125. 2004-03-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] 48 Hours on Vacation and the WHOLE WORLD CHANGES - We now have 2 moons like Tattoon in Starwars
  126. 2004-03-28 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was
  127. 2004-03-28 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was
  128. 2004-03-28 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] A note to the Group
  129. 2004-03-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A note to the Group
  130. 2004-03-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A note to the Group
  131. 2004-03-28 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was "Re:made a quantum leap")
  132. 2004-03-28 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A note to the Group
  133. 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] sound is very low
  134. 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] sound is very low
  135. 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was
  136. 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was "Re:made a
  137. 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Made a quantum leap
  138. 2004-03-27 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] A note to the Group
  139. 2004-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Java Deployment Developer (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  140. 2004-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl/MySQL web developer (telecommute), United States, va, newport news
  141. 2004-03-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed D esktop Linux E valuations
  142. 2004-03-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell to Combine Best of KDE and Gnome
  143. 2004-03-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Yankee Independently Pits Windows TCO vs. Linux TCO
  144. 2004-03-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> RE: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed D
  145. 2004-03-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yankee Independently Pits Windows TCO vs. Linux TCO
  146. 2004-03-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP Move Could Change Microsoft Strategy
  147. 2004-03-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed D
  148. 2004-03-25 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed D
  149. 2004-03-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed Desktop Linux E
  150. 2004-03-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA
  151. 2004-03-24 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA
  152. 2004-03-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA
  153. 2004-03-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA
  154. 2004-03-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA
  155. 2004-03-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA
  156. 2004-03-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell to Combine Best of KDE and Gnome
  157. 2004-03-24 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Downtown Space
  158. 2004-03-24 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  159. 2004-03-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Dispelling the myths of Gentoo Linux, an honest review
  160. 2004-03-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell to Combine Best of KDE and Gnome
  161. 2004-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wal-Mart and Sun share Linux desktop lust
  162. 2004-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell to Combine Best of KDE and Gnome
  163. 2004-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Dispelling the myths of Gentoo Linux, an honest review
  164. 2004-03-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today
  165. 2004-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source and Free Software Conference To Be Held at University of
  166. 2004-03-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] What Is New in SUSE LINUX 9.1 ?
  167. 2004-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] What Is New in SUSE LINUX 9.1 ?
  168. 2004-03-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for T
  169. 2004-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today
  170. 2004-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Perl Jobs] Mid-Level Perl Programmer (onsite), United States, NY, New York
  171. 2004-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Jobs keep coming
  172. 2004-03-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Hello World
  173. 2004-03-22 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Hello World
  174. 2004-03-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] An Advanced File System for Linux: JFS
  175. 2004-03-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] An Advanced File System for Linux: JFS
  176. 2004-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today
  177. 2004-03-21 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] About the Great NYFU and NY Fairuse Flap in 20 years.
  178. 2004-03-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  179. 2004-03-19 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  180. 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  181. 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  182. 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hangout management
  183. 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Does anyone see the CEO of Brooklyn's fingerprints on this?
  184. 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Meeting Canceled until Saturday Night
  185. 2004-03-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] You have to change this.
  186. 2004-03-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  187. 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections
  188. 2004-03-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Elections
  189. 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections
  190. 2004-03-19 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  191. 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections
  192. 2004-03-19 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Elections
  193. 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Unsubscribe
  194. 2004-03-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> RE: [hangout] Does anyone see the CEO of Brooklyn's fingerprints
  195. 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [DMCA_Discuss] New bill to veto Supreme Court decisions
  196. 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Does anyone see the CEO of Brooklyn's fingerprints
  197. 2004-03-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Does anyone see the CEO of Brooklyn's fingerprints on this?
  198. 2004-03-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] You have to change this.
  199. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] You have to change this.
  200. 2004-03-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] You have to change this.
  201. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] low balling
  202. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Mason Web software developer (onsite), United States, NY, Park Slope, Brooklyn]
  203. 2004-03-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Made a quantum leap
  204. 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Want to read something scary?
  205. 2004-03-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] HP Starts Pushing Desktop Linux
  206. 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] Wireless Card Recommendation of S
  207. 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] Wireless Card Recommendation of S
  208. 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] Wireless Card Recommendation of S USE
  209. 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] Wireless Card Recommendation of SUSE
  210. 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  211. 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  212. 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell News
  213. 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  214. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: BricsCAD goes Linux [backoffice2-at-bricscad.com]
  215. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] HP Starts Pushing Desktop Linux
  216. 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  217. 2004-03-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: BricsCAD goes Linux [backoffice2-at-bricscad.com]
  218. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  219. 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  220. 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  221. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nazgul-at-somewhere.com: Re: Embperl programmer needed]
  222. 2004-03-18 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RedHat Enterprise.
  223. 2004-03-18 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RedHat Enterprise.
  224. 2004-03-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] RedHat Enterprise.
  225. 2004-03-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Overview of this afternoon's Orgcom meeting
  226. 2004-03-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Overview of this afternoon's Orgcom meeting
  227. 2004-03-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Orgcom] NEXT MEETING (3-28-04) [chand-at-chandeeland.org]
  228. 2004-03-15 From: "M. Halegua" <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [Orgcom] NEXT MEETING (3-28-04) [chand-at-chandeeland.org]
  229. 2004-03-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [Orgcom] NEXT MEETING (3-28-04) [chand-at-chandeeland.org]
  230. 2004-03-16 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Orgcom Report to NYLXS
  231. 2004-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Orgcom Report to NYLXS [phantom21-at-mindspring.com]
  232. 2004-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] We NEED one more person to go to ORGCOM this Sunday
  233. 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] We NEED one more person to go to ORGCOM this Sunday
  234. 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] We NEED one more person to go to ORGCOM this Sunday

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