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MESSAGE
DATE 2004-03-11
FROM From: "Inker, Evan"
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Guest editorial: Open source for capitalists

Foreword: This essay by Matt Asay explains why he and others organized the
inaugural Open Source Business Conference, set to take place March 16-17 at
the St. Francis Hotel on Union Square in San Francisco. Asay and others
organized the OSBC in their free time. Asay currently works for Novell,
previously worked at Lineo. and studied under Open Source legal expert
Lawrence Lessig at Stanford.

Open Source for Capitalists
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5868897696.html

Open source, though growing fast, has not yet "won." We stand at a pivotal
moment. Open source developers have done their job. They write great
software. They have developed an infrastructure upon which companies and
individuals can build, without fear of having the platform used against
them.

Yet despite all the attention paid to open source; all the momentum behind
it; and all the progress it has made, the open source community has
overlooked one critical ingredient to its ultimate, overwhelming success:

Money

While some will disagree, open source cannot claim victory until it is
paying the salaries of its core developers, as well as creating jobs for
associated services (Sales, Marketing, etc.). That is, I view a fair
measurement of open source's success to be its impact on the global economy.
More money. More jobs. More software, doing more things that are useful to
more people.

And yet there has been virtually no public discussion of the topic. One book
(Thanks, Clayton!), and just about nothing else.

In mid-2003, I founded Open Source Business Conference to fill the void.

Why me? I'm not sure. Maybe no one else felt the pain that I felt, and could
marry that to a job that frequently took them to industry conferences where
the void was obnoxiously evident. Having worked for two years with an
embedded Linux startup (Lineo), and then for another 1.5 years for Novell, I
was tired of butting my head against the monetization problem. My companies
could not afford to embrace open source and contribute to it without
measurable and significant return on that investment.

Given this, it was galling to read the self-trumpery of some in the
community who too easily accepted the "Open Source will win because open
source is Right/True/Divine" argument. Successful as open source has been,
it has not been a wild commercial success, a failing that I was convinced
would persist without successful business models to promote it. (I used to
battle constantly with my professor, Larry Lessig, on this topic. I think he
was glad to have the semester end.) No, there had to be money in the
equation to make open source truly dominate.

LinuxWorld San Francisco, while great in many respects, proved the straw
that broke this camel's back. On my flight back from the conference, I
complained to a good friend about its dearth of open source business
discussion. He encouraged me to do something about it (I guess he did not
want to listen to me whine), and we spent the rest of the flight sketching
out a rough speaker and topic list, plus a budget. I soon convinced two
other friends to join the planning of the conference, both with a background
in open source, and away we went.

Instead of opening the conference to speaker proposals, we hand-selected
each speaker (with very few exceptions). My job with Novell took me to just
about every industry event: I knew who had interesting things to say. We
reached out to them, and slowly built a formidable conference faculty, one
that is today absolutely unparalleled in the industry. With Clayton
Christensen (Author, The Innovator's Dilemma and the follow-up The
Innovator's Solution) as our cornerstone, the best open source business
minds flocked to the conference.

We then assigned topics to these speakers, because we wanted the conference
to address very specific issues that have yet to be resolved. These topics
include:
What business models will drive open source for the coming decade?


What open source business models are proving successful today, and what are
their shortcomings? How does dual-licensing work? Is there life beyond
services for Red Hat? Need there be?


How do corporations integrate their development teams and roadmaps into the
community's?


What effect is this having on the community, as corporations seek to exert
influence over open communities?


How can traditionally closed-source vendors and buyers adopt open source
while mitigating legal risks inherent to the open source development model?


Where are the growth areas for open source, and which areas of the software
stack are unlikely to be commoditized by open source in the near term?


Finally, what do vendors and the community need to provide end-users to make
it commercially viable for them to deploy on a wide scale?
OSBC will attempt to answer these questions, among others. While it is
doubtful that The Answer will be found to any one of these important
questions at OSBC, my hope is that OSBC will provide fertile soil for good
ideas to be planted and grow. That is its purpose: to drive the commercial
viability of open source software, and consequently breed more of it.

Eight months later, I think OSBC will meet this goal. It has been a total
garageworks, built from scratch in the organizers' spare time. No
corporation is behind it, though each of our employers (especially Novell, I
must say) has been supportive. We bootstrapped every aspect of the
conference. But next week, attendees will be treated to an amazing
collection of the industry's brightest minds and top strategists. It is not
an opportunity to be missed. We've needed this conference, and now we have
it. Come join the conversation.

The Open Source Business Conference: Home of Open Source Capitalism will
take place Mar. 16-17, at the St. Francis Hotel on Union Square in San
Francisco, CA. More details are available at the OSBC Website.


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  6. 2004-03-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: FW: [hangout] Demo CD
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  8. 2004-03-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: FW: [hangout] Demo CD
  9. 2004-03-12 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: FW: [hangout] Demo CD
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  12. 2004-03-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: FW: [hangout] Demo CD
  13. 2004-03-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: FW: [hangout] Demo CD
  14. 2004-03-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004
  15. 2004-03-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004
  16. 2004-03-12 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004
  17. 2004-03-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: FW: [hangout] Demo CD
  18. 2004-03-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> FW: [hangout] Demo CD
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  22. 2004-03-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004
  23. 2004-03-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004
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  28. 2004-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] (fwd) Re: DRM company tracking.
  29. 2004-03-11 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Demo CD
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  33. 2004-03-11 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Army to Gates: Halt the free software
  34. 2004-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Army to Gates: Halt the free software
  35. 2004-03-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Power Supply
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  38. 2004-03-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Minutes for March 11, 2004
  39. 2004-03-11 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Power Supply
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  92. 2004-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: BricsCAD goes Linux [backoffice2-at-bricscad.com]
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  94. 2004-03-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] My Linux Desktop Odyssey, 2004
  95. 2004-03-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] My Linux Desktop Odyssey, 2004
  96. 2004-03-15 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Linux Desktop Odyssey, 2004
  97. 2004-03-15 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Linux Desktop Odyssey, 2004
  98. 2004-03-15 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] (fwd) More Supporters of Digital Rights needed!
  99. 2004-03-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Court Opens Way to Claim the Public Domain
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  101. 2004-03-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] HP Starts Pushing Desktop Linux
  102. 2004-03-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  103. 2004-03-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] New York City Contracts
  104. 2004-03-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Opinion: Software Freedom Day 2004
  105. 2004-03-17 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Opinion: Software Freedom Day 2004
  106. 2004-03-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP Starts Pushing Desktop Linux
  107. 2004-03-17 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  108. 2004-03-17 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Luck of the Irish
  109. 2004-03-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New York City Contracts
  110. 2004-03-17 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] PowerBook CDROM is very flakey
  111. 2004-03-31 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  112. 2004-03-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wal-Mart sells PCs with Sun's Linux
  113. 2004-03-31 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections
  114. 2004-03-31 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  115. 2004-03-31 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections
  116. 2004-03-31 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Elections
  117. 2004-03-31 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Elections
  118. 2004-03-30 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Off to Albany
  119. 2004-03-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft and DRM
  120. 2004-03-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Week Article on Free Softwatre
  121. 2004-03-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Off to Albany
  122. 2004-03-29 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Off to Albany
  123. 2004-03-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] (no subject)
  124. 2004-03-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] A note to the Group
  125. 2004-03-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] 48 Hours on Vacation and the WHOLE WORLD CHANGES - We now have 2 moons like Tattoon in Starwars
  126. 2004-03-28 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was
  127. 2004-03-28 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was
  128. 2004-03-28 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] A note to the Group
  129. 2004-03-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A note to the Group
  130. 2004-03-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A note to the Group
  131. 2004-03-28 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was "Re:made a quantum leap")
  132. 2004-03-28 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A note to the Group
  133. 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] sound is very low
  134. 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] sound is very low
  135. 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was
  136. 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Realtech card query (previous Subject in error, was "Re:made a
  137. 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Made a quantum leap
  138. 2004-03-27 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] A note to the Group
  139. 2004-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Java Deployment Developer (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  140. 2004-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl/MySQL web developer (telecommute), United States, va, newport news
  141. 2004-03-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed D esktop Linux E valuations
  142. 2004-03-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell to Combine Best of KDE and Gnome
  143. 2004-03-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Yankee Independently Pits Windows TCO vs. Linux TCO
  144. 2004-03-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> RE: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed D
  145. 2004-03-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yankee Independently Pits Windows TCO vs. Linux TCO
  146. 2004-03-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP Move Could Change Microsoft Strategy
  147. 2004-03-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed D
  148. 2004-03-25 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed D
  149. 2004-03-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] "Enterprise Assessment Kit Available Now to Speed Desktop Linux E
  150. 2004-03-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA
  151. 2004-03-24 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA
  152. 2004-03-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA
  153. 2004-03-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA
  154. 2004-03-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA
  155. 2004-03-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a PIA
  156. 2004-03-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell to Combine Best of KDE and Gnome
  157. 2004-03-24 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Downtown Space
  158. 2004-03-24 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  159. 2004-03-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Dispelling the myths of Gentoo Linux, an honest review
  160. 2004-03-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell to Combine Best of KDE and Gnome
  161. 2004-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wal-Mart and Sun share Linux desktop lust
  162. 2004-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell to Combine Best of KDE and Gnome
  163. 2004-03-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Dispelling the myths of Gentoo Linux, an honest review
  164. 2004-03-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today
  165. 2004-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source and Free Software Conference To Be Held at University of
  166. 2004-03-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] What Is New in SUSE LINUX 9.1 ?
  167. 2004-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] What Is New in SUSE LINUX 9.1 ?
  168. 2004-03-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for T
  169. 2004-03-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today
  170. 2004-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Perl Jobs] Mid-Level Perl Programmer (onsite), United States, NY, New York
  171. 2004-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Jobs keep coming
  172. 2004-03-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Hello World
  173. 2004-03-22 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Hello World
  174. 2004-03-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] An Advanced File System for Linux: JFS
  175. 2004-03-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] An Advanced File System for Linux: JFS
  176. 2004-03-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today
  177. 2004-03-21 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] About the Great NYFU and NY Fairuse Flap in 20 years.
  178. 2004-03-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  179. 2004-03-19 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  180. 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  181. 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  182. 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hangout management
  183. 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Does anyone see the CEO of Brooklyn's fingerprints on this?
  184. 2004-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Meeting Canceled until Saturday Night
  185. 2004-03-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] You have to change this.
  186. 2004-03-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  187. 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections
  188. 2004-03-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Elections
  189. 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections
  190. 2004-03-19 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  191. 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Elections
  192. 2004-03-19 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Elections
  193. 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Unsubscribe
  194. 2004-03-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> RE: [hangout] Does anyone see the CEO of Brooklyn's fingerprints
  195. 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [DMCA_Discuss] New bill to veto Supreme Court decisions
  196. 2004-03-19 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Does anyone see the CEO of Brooklyn's fingerprints
  197. 2004-03-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Does anyone see the CEO of Brooklyn's fingerprints on this?
  198. 2004-03-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] You have to change this.
  199. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] You have to change this.
  200. 2004-03-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] You have to change this.
  201. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] low balling
  202. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl/Mason Web software developer (onsite), United States, NY, Park Slope, Brooklyn]
  203. 2004-03-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Made a quantum leap
  204. 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Want to read something scary?
  205. 2004-03-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] HP Starts Pushing Desktop Linux
  206. 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] Wireless Card Recommendation of S
  207. 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] Wireless Card Recommendation of S
  208. 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] Wireless Card Recommendation of S USE
  209. 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] Wireless Card Recommendation of SUSE
  210. 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  211. 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  212. 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell News
  213. 2004-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  214. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: BricsCAD goes Linux [backoffice2-at-bricscad.com]
  215. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] HP Starts Pushing Desktop Linux
  216. 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  217. 2004-03-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: BricsCAD goes Linux [backoffice2-at-bricscad.com]
  218. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  219. 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  220. 2004-03-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  221. 2004-03-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nazgul-at-somewhere.com: Re: Embperl programmer needed]
  222. 2004-03-18 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RedHat Enterprise.
  223. 2004-03-18 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RedHat Enterprise.
  224. 2004-03-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] RedHat Enterprise.
  225. 2004-03-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Overview of this afternoon's Orgcom meeting
  226. 2004-03-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Overview of this afternoon's Orgcom meeting
  227. 2004-03-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Orgcom] NEXT MEETING (3-28-04) [chand-at-chandeeland.org]
  228. 2004-03-15 From: "M. Halegua" <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [Orgcom] NEXT MEETING (3-28-04) [chand-at-chandeeland.org]
  229. 2004-03-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [Orgcom] NEXT MEETING (3-28-04) [chand-at-chandeeland.org]
  230. 2004-03-16 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Orgcom Report to NYLXS
  231. 2004-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] Orgcom Report to NYLXS [phantom21-at-mindspring.com]
  232. 2004-03-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] We NEED one more person to go to ORGCOM this Sunday
  233. 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] We NEED one more person to go to ORGCOM this Sunday
  234. 2004-03-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] We NEED one more person to go to ORGCOM this Sunday

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