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| DATE | 2004-01-12 |
| FROM | Adam Kosmin
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [hangout] (fwd) Re: [tech-geeks] XP Home in Win2K Domain
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----- Forwarded message from Adam Kosmin -----
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:54:31 -0500
To: tech-geeks-at-tech-geeks.org
From: Adam Kosmin
Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] XP Home in Win2K Domain
Reply-to: tech-geeks-at-tech-geeks.org
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Brian,
I don't need to "take another shot" as you put it. I know your motives
and I have no problem exposing them to the members of this community.
Your actions speak louder than your words and I have no problem being
the one who will hold you accountable for using this list as a software
distribution channel.
And I for one, could care less about what your shiny Windows product can
do when it behaves nicely. Spare me the bells, spare me the whistles,
and give me software that I can use, modify, redistribute, and examine
to my heart's content. You may use Linux as you say, but you are not a
Linux user because I seriously doubt your ability to grasp the concept
of freedom being more important than functionality.
No one (especially not I) is asking you to stop helping people on this
list. If you re-read my posts, you will notice that I have repeatedly
asked you to stop using it as a tool to push your products onto schools.
But then again, your "slush fund, get-it-into-their-hands-anyway
possible" approach confirms my suspicions that you don't believe these
people would buy your product to begin with. If you REALLY thought that
the products offered such tremendous value, you'd have some confidence
in the fact that they would be purchased. Instead, I suspect that the
end of each month sees you submitting an excel spreadsheet to your boss
indicating how many schools you've managed to infect (Ok, perhaps some
strong language on my part, but I needed to make a point).
As far as you being here before me and all that, how do you think I got
here? News has a way of spreading pretty fast on this here Internet
thing-a-ma-bob and yes Brian, word has gotten out about you. There are
quite a few people on this list who are as sick and tired as I am of
your blatant attempt to capitalize, but who choose to say nothing. I
suspect that they have (wisely) decided not to add fuel to the fire at
this point because it is simply unnecessary. I am calling this for what
it is and have brought it to the attention of the group. Sure, the group
has some thinking to do and may decide to support you (we both know that
these people tend to be a bit short sighted and are mostly concerned
with serving their own selfish agendas). If that camp appears to
outnumber those of us who believe that educational facilities should be
more than breeding grounds for the your next generation of market share,
then so be it. I suppose if that happens, I'll be asked to leave or be
banned. However, it would be foolish of you to think that your attempts
to exploit this list will go unnoticed in the event that I take leave.
In the mean time, I will continue to do what I've always done on this
list; contribute my experience where appropriate, learn from others, and
call you out when needed. How about you stop giving me a reason to?
Free the schools, free minds!
Sincerely,
Adam Kosmin
Brian Adams (MCS) (brianad-at-microsoft.com) wrote:
" Wow, did you run out of medication over the weekend?
"
" Since you don't know me or anything about me, here's a few facts:
"
" 1) I don't work in MS's education group, I'm a purely technical
" resource that is responsible for Financial Services customers. I don't
" get commission, no one from MS asked me to be on this list. I use my
" personal time to interact with the list and I get no compensation. All
" I get is a little bit of personal satisfaction that I helped someone.
"
" 2) ~$10,000.00 - this is what focusing more on education than my
" customer cost me, personally, in lost bonus this year as I was dinged
" heavily on my review for allocating so much of my time away from my
" primary customer. But, I'm still here, helping where I can. My family
" could have used the $10k...
"
" 3) The reason I am here is to help folks - call it what you will, I'm
" just doing this because I want to, no other reason.
"
" 4) You took my "not going to lose one box to linux" comment out of
" context - I meant I'm not going to lose a box to a competitor because of
" problems people may experience with our platform. I will help that
" person find whatever fix they need to be happy with the software they
" paid good money for. If it were up to me, education would get this
" stuff for free (as in beer). Not because I want to turn every student
" into a walking Windows for Dummies book, but because this stuff really
" works when it's used properly and I believe in our products and I
" believe our products can make the computing lives of everyone easier.
" Our platform can do some amazing things and we have the best development
" story on the planet.
"
" 5) I was on this list before you came and I'll be here after you're
" gone.
"
" 6) Oh, and when I ship products to someone, that comes out of my
" personal pocket (granted I buy at the employee purchase rate). We
" don't have any budget at all for donating software to schools. So, that
" copy of Windows XP will cost me, personally, $20 + shipping. But, it
" will save Mike some headaches.
"
" 7) I have nothing against linux. I've been using it since 96. I used
" it in my business years ago and still manage a few *nix boxes for folks.
"
"
" So, you're about out of ammo, but take your next shot, if you must...
"
"
"
" Sincerely,
"
" Brian E. Adams
" MCSA:Security (Win2k)
" MCSA:Messaging (Ex2000)
" MCSE+I/MCSE:Security (NT4/Win2k)
" MCAD (VS.NET)
" MCSD (VS6/VS.NET)
" MCDBA (SQL 2000)
" CCNP
"
" Microsoft Corporation - Microsoft Consulting Services
" Central Region Financial Services Group
" brianad-at-microsoft.com / 309.212.1451
"
" "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine
"
"
"
" -----Original Message-----
" From: Adam Kosmin [mailto:akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com]
" Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:55 PM
" To: tech-geeks-at-tech-geeks.org
" Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] XP Home in Win2K Domain
"
"
" Chris,
"
" It's so easy to poke fun at that which we are not prepared to take
" responsibility for...... isn't it?
"
" Anyway, I stand by my original convictions when I suggest that this list
" should not be used as Microsoft's software distribution channel. If
" Brian wants to help you with your issues, all the power to him and you
" but he doesn't need to exploit the members of this list in doing so.
" From what I've seen of his activity, he is simply executing on
" Microsoft's "slush fund" strategy. Something tells me you may not know
" what I'm talking about though but I'm sure if you google on those terms,
" you'll get heading in the right direction.
"
" Your welcome,
"
" Adam Kosmin
"
"
" Chris Janssen (chris.janssen-at-avonschools.us) wrote:
" " Oh Adam. I do so appreciate you pointing out the error of my ways. I
" mean,
" " you have made it apparent that I too have been brainwashed by the evil
" " empire. I think I read a book about this exact phenomenon years ago.
" The
" " title was something to the effect of 1984. Boy, it is a good thing
" you came
" " along. Without your knowledable insight, I like many others on this
" list
" " would have continued to do my work serving the constituents of my
" district
" " including administrators, teachers, students and community! Now that
" you
" " have shown me the light I will promptly turn in my resignation and
" take up
" " the cause of stopping the evil empire of Microsoft. I mean, heck, why
" " should they charge for their products. All software should be
" provided to
" " everyone equally for little to no charge correct? Again, brings back
" " memories from studies. I think the last time a concept like that came
" up
" " was when studying socialism. This capitalistic economy thing will
" never
" " work. My gosh. I've been so lost for so long. I hope you can sleep
" better
" " this evening knowing that you have opened the eyes of yet one more
" " individual to the evil empire covered under the blanket of a software
" " company. How can I thank you enough? I would give you monitary
" reward, but
" " then that would not be possible as I must now allocate all available
" funds
" " to stop the evil giant! (Not to mention the fact that my real income
" comes
" " from capitalistic ventures!)
" "
" " ***End of sarcasm***
" "
" " Brian and others that contribute ideas and suggestions when I post in
" dire
" " need -
" "
" " Thanks so much for all you offer to the list. You are valued just
" like many
" " others on this list for your valuable insight.
" "
" " Take care,
" " Chris
" "
" " ----- Original Message -----
" " From: "Adam Kosmin"
" " To:
" " Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 5:08 PM
" " Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] XP Home in Win2K Domain
" "
" "
" " > This is a simple question of morals Nate "Go-with-the-flow" Blaum.
" Mine
" " > do not need the kind of justification or endorsment that you are
" talking
" " > about.
" " >
" " > Thanks,
" " >
" " > Adam Kosmin
" " >
" " >
" " > Blaum, Nate admin (admin-at-nokomis.k12.il.us) wrote:
" " > " Adam, you feel it's your responsibility to stop Brian. Why don't
" you do
" " a quick survey of the people on this list? Find out how many are
" offended by
" " Brian, then find out how many are offended by your comments.. I'll
" even
" " refrain from posting my comments.. Then you'll see that the need to
" stop
" " Brian is NOT necessary.
" " > "
" " > " Nate Blaum
" " > " Dell Master Certified
" " > " Computer Systems Network Administrator
" " > " Nokomis Community Unit School District #22
" " > "
" " > "
" " > "
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" " > "
" " >
" " > --
" " >
" " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
" " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
" " > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did
" contribute a
" " > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know
" what
" " > it is."
" " >
" " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
" " >
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" "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
" line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
" complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did contribute a
" lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know what
" it is."
"
" -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
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"Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did contribute a
lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know what
it is."
-- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
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"Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did contribute a
lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know what
it is."
-- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
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