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| DATE | 2004-01-16 |
| FROM | From: "Steve Milo"
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
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> Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> " > more functional, but it is not good enough because it is not
> free
> " > (as in
> " > speech) and therefore, damages to our society's ability to
> " > collaborate,innovate, and protect our privacy.
> "
> " Actually, more functional is much more than good enough, if the
> better
> " more secure product is available from Microsoft then by all
> means it
> " should be used.
>
> This is bullshit. This is exactly the kind of thinking (common to
> peoplewho subscribe to the Open Source philosophy) that threatens
> the adoption
> of Free Software and (if not stopped) will allow Microsoft to build
> whatever toll gates they desire upon the virtual roads that we use to
> collaborate and communicate.
Hey, if I'm the 'common person' who subscribes to the Open Source
philosphy thats sits fine with me. I know just a little more than the
common person though. Sounds like you missed a chance to convince this
'common person' of how to think.
>
> Not because it isn't 'free'..as in whatever. But
> " because it does the job that is required of it. If the Open
> Source
> " community can come along and create an equal or better product
> then that
> " software has earned its positions.
>
> Free as in whatever? How can you not appreciate the freedoms
> granted by
> the GPL? This stuff is critical and I'd expect anyone subscribed
> to this
> list to be well versed in the benefits.
I expect anyone who subscribes to this list to be not only well versed
in the freedoms granted by the GPL. But to also have an understanding
of how the judicial and capitalist system of this country works.
> If we are talking about widgets then
> " the only thing that MS or any other proprietary company is
> guilty of is
> " defending their products secrets. They haven't infringed on
> freedom of
> " speech, they are using freedom to persue 'life and liberty'. If
> MS were
> " to go out and seek a court order to silence its critics that is
> " infringing on freedom of speech. But as far as the widget is
> concerned,
> " MS has everyright to create its product, they can run around and
> let
> " their sales people tell you anything they want to get their
> product in
> " your hands.
>
> I don't blame Microsoft for wanting world domination. I blame the
> idiotswho aren't bright enough to choose a different path and who
> are so
> obsessed with fulfilling their own selfish short term agendas
> despite the
> costs to innovation.
Yeah, its called the cost of convenience. Many company's are willing to
shell out a few extra bucks for convenience.
You missed another chance to convince this 'idiot' to believe otherwise.
But you also missed a whole other point, MS's 'strength' lies not in its
product but in its marketing.
>
> The fault is not with MS when a network crashes due to a
> " virus, but the IT director who chose to use MS. In turn
> compromising
> " the security of their organizations system. No, simply because
> MS is
> " closed source is not a good enough reason to not purchase their
> product
> " and anyone in this day and age will tell you that.
>
>
> No one who understands and agrees with the goals of the Free Software
> movement will tell me this crap.
Yeah, and for the rest of the world they will buy what they think works.
Whether you realize it or not, your
> statement and thinking has been fed to you by Open Source friendly
> marketing departments. From where I'm sitting, I see that this is
> goingto be a HUGE problem going forward.People are jumping on the
> Linuxbandwagon for all the wrong reasons. It's like inviting
> foreigners to
> come over to the United States of America without studying the
> Constitution!!!
Maybe you should tell your ancentry that came over on the boat to go
back. Somehow I doubt they learned to appreciate the Constitution
before they hit these shores.
Either way your sending mixed messages. One the one hand you want to
close the borders off to any new comers, which by itself is unAmerican.
But on the other hand you state how anti American Microsoft is, an
American company.
Still more hypcritical is how you preach freedom of speech but you want
to it cut off from people who dont agree with your point of view. So am
I to believe that freedom of speech applies only to those who think like
you? If thats true why dont we all just get the first plane to North
Korea, they will appreicate us there. Oh and that should satisfy your
requirment for joining on the 'Linux Bandwagon' too, they're all
elitists there also.
>
>
> The reasons to go
> " with Open Source is simply because its better. Its better on
> price
> " point, its better on security, its better on maintenance, its
> better on
> " support. Simply put, GNU/Linux/Open Source is just better and
> for those
> " patriotic souls, is so very American. Open Source got its start
> in this
> " country and is based on the same principles and values that were
> used
> " when this country was founded. But using a better product is
> common
> " sense. If MS creates a better OS than GNU/Linux I would go out
> and buy
> " it. But it doesnt make a better OS, it only has a stronger
> marketing
> " machine. The problem with the Open Source community is that too
> many
> " people are hung up pining away at how MS is bad. We're focusing
> on all
> " the wrong points, the focus has to be turned away from MS and
> back onto
> " Linux. If MS makes a better product thats fine the problems are
> the
> " limitations imposed on reverse engineering for a better product.
> The
> " auto industry does it, the hardware manufacterers do it,
> McDonalds does
> " it. Everyone reverse engineers, its a normal patter of critical
> " thinking. But the DMCA law doesnt allow reverse engineering,
> not even
> " to *not* make a profit.
> "
>
> Obviously you know very little about the history of Open Source since
> you seem to think that it even has one. The term "Open Source" is
> nothing more than a recently created buzz term to sell Free
> Software to
> people that don't have the capacity to understand the moral
> arguements of
> the Free Software movement. That's it! (if you didn't get that last
> statement, read it over and over until it sinks in).
Lets leave morals in the gutter where they belong. Get off your high
horse for a few moments. There are times when no one really cares about
your strong point of view peppered with curse words and indirect
insults. It becomes tiring and annoying and counter productive.
As far as history goes, BSD seems to have been around for quite a few
years. GNU/Linux has been making some pretty strong inroads. As far as
I can recall they're both Open Source..or maybe more properly open
source. Dont bother correcting me, I'm not interested in your point of
view peppered with inderect insults.
>
> Adam Kosmin
Overall you have made an interesting effort to pervert what I was trying
to say. You have managed to completely mangle anything I was trying to
say. While at the same time trying to insult me inderectly.
Steve M
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