MESSAGE
| DATE | 2004-01-16 |
| FROM | Adam Kosmin
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
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I'm looking forward to meeting you. When can we arrange that?
Adam
Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
" Obviously a sign of a small mind, when someone resorts to name calling
" and insults.
"
" Steve M
"
" >
" > Steve,
" >
" > I've had enough of your spoon-fed crap. You're obviously an idiot.
" >
" > Adam
" >
" >
" > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
" > " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
" > " > " > more functional, but it is not good enough because it is
" > not
" > " > free
" > " > " > (as in
" > " > " > speech) and therefore, damages to our society's ability to
" > " > " > collaborate,innovate, and protect our privacy.
" > " > "
" > " > " Actually, more functional is much more than good enough, if
" > the
" > " > better
" > " > " more secure product is available from Microsoft then by all
" > " > means it
" > " > " should be used.
" > " >
" > " > This is bullshit. This is exactly the kind of thinking (common
" > to
" > " > peoplewho subscribe to the Open Source philosophy) that
" > threatens
" > " > the adoption
" > " > of Free Software and (if not stopped) will allow Microsoft to
" > build" > whatever toll gates they desire upon the virtual roads
" > that we use to
" > " > collaborate and communicate.
" > "
" > " Hey, if I'm the 'common person' who subscribes to the Open
" > Source
" > " philosphy thats sits fine with me. I know just a little more
" > than the
" > " common person though. Sounds like you missed a chance to
" > convince this
" > " 'common person' of how to think.
" > "
" > " >
" > " > Not because it isn't 'free'..as in whatever. But
" > " > " because it does the job that is required of it. If the Open
" > " > Source
" > " > " community can come along and create an equal or better
" > product
" > " > then that
" > " > " software has earned its positions.
" > " >
" > " > Free as in whatever? How can you not appreciate the freedoms
" > " > granted by
" > " > the GPL? This stuff is critical and I'd expect anyone
" > subscribed
" > " > to this
" > " > list to be well versed in the benefits.
" > "
" > " I expect anyone who subscribes to this list to be not only well
" > versed
" > " in the freedoms granted by the GPL. But to also have an
" > understanding
" > " of how the judicial and capitalist system of this country works.
" > "
" > " > If we are talking about widgets then
" > " > " the only thing that MS or any other proprietary company is
" > " > guilty of is
" > " > " defending their products secrets. They haven't infringed on
" > " > freedom of
" > " > " speech, they are using freedom to persue 'life and liberty'.
" > If
" > " > MS were
" > " > " to go out and seek a court order to silence its critics that
" > is
" > " > " infringing on freedom of speech. But as far as the widget
" > is
" > " > concerned,
" > " > " MS has everyright to create its product, they can run around
" > and
" > " > let
" > " > " their sales people tell you anything they want to get their
" > " > product in
" > " > " your hands.
" > " >
" > " > I don't blame Microsoft for wanting world domination. I blame
" > the
" > " > idiotswho aren't bright enough to choose a different path and
" > who
" > " > are so
" > " > obsessed with fulfilling their own selfish short term agendas
" > " > despite the
" > " > costs to innovation.
" > "
" > " Yeah, its called the cost of convenience. Many company's are
" > willing to
" > " shell out a few extra bucks for convenience.
" > "
" > " You missed another chance to convince this 'idiot' to believe
" > otherwise."
" > " But you also missed a whole other point, MS's 'strength' lies
" > not in its
" > " product but in its marketing.
" > "
" > " >
" > " > The fault is not with MS when a network crashes due to a
" > " > " virus, but the IT director who chose to use MS. In turn
" > " > compromising
" > " > " the security of their organizations system. No, simply
" > because
" > " > MS is
" > " > " closed source is not a good enough reason to not purchase
" > their
" > " > product
" > " > " and anyone in this day and age will tell you that.
" > " >
" > " >
" > " > No one who understands and agrees with the goals of the Free
" > Software" > movement will tell me this crap.
" > "
" > " Yeah, and for the rest of the world they will buy what they
" > think works.
" > "
" > " Whether you realize it or not, your
" > " > statement and thinking has been fed to you by Open Source friendly
" > " > marketing departments. From where I'm sitting, I see that this
" > is
" > " > goingto be a HUGE problem going forward.People are jumping on
" > the
" > " > Linuxbandwagon for all the wrong reasons. It's like inviting
" > " > foreigners to
" > " > come over to the United States of America without studying the
" > " > Constitution!!!
" > "
" > " Maybe you should tell your ancentry that came over on the boat
" > to go
" > " back. Somehow I doubt they learned to appreciate the
" > Constitution
" > " before they hit these shores.
" > "
" > " Either way your sending mixed messages. One the one hand you
" > want to
" > " close the borders off to any new comers, which by itself is
" > unAmerican.
" > " But on the other hand you state how anti American Microsoft is,
" > an
" > " American company.
" > "
" > " Still more hypcritical is how you preach freedom of speech but
" > you want
" > " to it cut off from people who dont agree with your point of
" > view. So am
" > " I to believe that freedom of speech applies only to those who
" > think like
" > " you? If thats true why dont we all just get the first plane to
" > North
" > " Korea, they will appreicate us there. Oh and that should
" > satisfy your
" > " requirment for joining on the 'Linux Bandwagon' too, they're all
" > " elitists there also.
" > "
" > " >
" > " >
" > " > The reasons to go
" > " > " with Open Source is simply because its better. Its better
" > on
" > " > price
" > " > " point, its better on security, its better on maintenance,
" > its
" > " > better on
" > " > " support. Simply put, GNU/Linux/Open Source is just better
" > and
" > " > for those
" > " > " patriotic souls, is so very American. Open Source got its
" > start
" > " > in this
" > " > " country and is based on the same principles and values that
" > were
" > " > used
" > " > " when this country was founded. But using a better product
" > is
" > " > common
" > " > " sense. If MS creates a better OS than GNU/Linux I would go
" > out
" > " > and buy
" > " > " it. But it doesnt make a better OS, it only has a stronger
" > " > marketing
" > " > " machine. The problem with the Open Source community is that
" > too
" > " > many
" > " > " people are hung up pining away at how MS is bad. We're
" > focusing
" > " > on all
" > " > " the wrong points, the focus has to be turned away from MS
" > and
" > " > back onto
" > " > " Linux. If MS makes a better product thats fine the problems
" > are
" > " > the
" > " > " limitations imposed on reverse engineering for a better
" > product.
" > " > The
" > " > " auto industry does it, the hardware manufacterers do it,
" > " > McDonalds does
" > " > " it. Everyone reverse engineers, its a normal patter of
" > critical
" > " > " thinking. But the DMCA law doesnt allow reverse
" > engineering,
" > " > not even
" > " > " to *not* make a profit.
" > " > "
" > " >
" > " > Obviously you know very little about the history of Open
" > Source since
" > " > you seem to think that it even has one. The term "Open Source" is
" > " > nothing more than a recently created buzz term to sell Free
" > " > Software to
" > " > people that don't have the capacity to understand the moral
" > " > arguements of
" > " > the Free Software movement. That's it! (if you didn't get that
" > last" > statement, read it over and over until it sinks in).
" > "
" > " Lets leave morals in the gutter where they belong. Get off your
" > high
" > " horse for a few moments. There are times when no one really
" > cares about
" > " your strong point of view peppered with curse words and indirect
" > " insults. It becomes tiring and annoying and counter productive.
" > "
" > " As far as history goes, BSD seems to have been around for quite
" > a few
" > " years. GNU/Linux has been making some pretty strong inroads.
" > As far as
" > " I can recall they're both Open Source..or maybe more properly
" > open
" > " source. Dont bother correcting me, I'm not interested in your
" > point of
" > " view peppered with inderect insults.
" > "
" > " >
" > " > Adam Kosmin
" > "
" > " Overall you have made an interesting effort to pervert what I
" > was trying
" > " to say. You have managed to completely mangle anything I was
" > trying to
" > " say. While at the same time trying to insult me inderectly.
" > "
" > "
" > " Steve M
" > "
" > "
" >
" > --
" >
" > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
" > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
" > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did
" > contribute a
" > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know
" > whatit is."
" >
" > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
" >
"
"
--
"Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did contribute a
lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know what
it is."
-- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
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