MESSAGE
| DATE | 2004-01-16 |
| FROM | From: "Steve Milo"
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
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Yeah, I'm a Microsoft spy Adam thats me. I have a friend who works at
Microsoft at their Dallas headqaurters. In fact thats why I was in
Arizona...I mean New Mexico..no wait Texas.
Have you spoken to your ancestry yet? Dont forget to tell them to go
back where they came from because they didnt study the Constitution.
Steve M
----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Kosmin
Date: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:05 am
Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
>
> In fact, what are you doing on this list? It's obvious to me that you
> could care less about Free Software. How about I go find you a
> good MCSE
> list where you'll obviously be more comfortable?
>
> Let me know and I'll send you a link or two.
>
> Adam
>
>
> Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> "
> " I'm tired of listening to people pine away at how bad this that
> or the
> " other thing is.
> "
> " Your sarcasm and cynism is really sickening.
> "
> " You can mince words Adam, but I wont.
> "
> " Youre welcome,
> " Steve M
> "
> " PS. Tell your ancestry to go back from where they came from,
> because
> " they didnt study the Constitution of the United States. Jack ass.
> "
> " > I know. I'm just sick of this Open Source mentality. The more
> I think
> " > about it, the more I realize what a true cop out it really is.
> As a
> " > subscriber to the Open Source way of thinking, I don't have to
> " > have any
> " > conviction, I don't have to have any morals, I don't have to
> have any
> " > conscious awareness as to the role my computing habits play in our
> " > society.
> " >
> " > I can see why this is so successful in business.
> " >
> " > Adam
> " >
> " >
> " > Mike Richardson - (NYLXS: President) (miker-at-mrbrklyn.com) wrote:
> " > " Adam the philosphy of Free Software has to be taught as an
> ongoing" > " repetaive lesson. You have New People who don't
> know, and those
> " > who speak
> " > " about freedoms but have not read the defination of Free
> Software
> " > or the
> " > " GPL in a while.
> " > "
> " > " On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Adam Kosmin wrote:
> " > "
> " > " >
> " > " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> " > " > " > more functional, but it is not good enough because it
> is
> " > not free
> " > " > " > (as in
> " > " > " > speech) and therefore, damages to our society's
> ability to
> " > " > " > collaborate,innovate, and protect our privacy.
> " > " > "
> " > " > " Actually, more functional is much more than good enough,
> if
> " > the better
> " > " > " more secure product is available from Microsoft then by
> all
> " > means it
> " > " > " should be used.
> " > " >
> " > " > This is bullshit. This is exactly the kind of thinking
> (common
> " > to people
> " > " > who subscribe to the Open Source philosophy) that
> threatens
> " > the adoption
> " > " > of Free Software and (if not stopped) will allow Microsoft
> to
> " > build" > whatever toll gates they desire upon the virtual
> roads
> " > that we use to
> " > " > collaborate and communicate.
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " > Not because it isn't 'free'..as in whatever. But
> " > " > " because it does the job that is required of it. If the
> Open
> " > Source" > " community can come along and create an equal or
> better
> " > product then that
> " > " > " software has earned its positions.
> " > " >
> " > " > Free as in whatever? How can you not appreciate the
> freedoms
> " > granted by
> " > " > the GPL? This stuff is critical and I'd expect anyone
> " > subscribed to this
> " > " > list to be well versed in the benefits.
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " > If we are talking about widgets then
> " > " > " the only thing that MS or any other proprietary company
> is
> " > guilty of is
> " > " > " defending their products secrets. They haven't
> infringed on
> " > freedom of
> " > " > " speech, they are using freedom to persue 'life and
> liberty'.
> " > If MS were
> " > " > " to go out and seek a court order to silence its critics
> that is
> " > " > " infringing on freedom of speech. But as far as the
> widget
> " > is concerned,
> " > " > " MS has everyright to create its product, they can run
> around
> " > and let
> " > " > " their sales people tell you anything they want to get
> their
> " > product in
> " > " > " your hands.
> " > " >
> " > " > I don't blame Microsoft for wanting world domination. I
> blame
> " > the idiots
> " > " > who aren't bright enough to choose a different path and
> who
> " > are so
> " > " > obsessed with fulfilling their own selfish short term
> agendas
> " > despite the
> " > " > costs to innovation.
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " > The fault is not with MS when a network crashes due to a
> " > " > " virus, but the IT director who chose to use MS. In turn
> " > compromising" > " the security of their organizations system.
> No,
> " > simply because MS is
> " > " > " closed source is not a good enough reason to not
> purchase
> " > their product
> " > " > " and anyone in this day and age will tell you that.
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " > No one who understands and agrees with the goals of the
> Free
> " > Software" > movement will tell me this crap. Whether you
> realize
> " > it or not, your
> " > " > statement and thinking has been fed to you by Open Source
> friendly" > " > marketing departments. From where I'm sitting, I
> see that this
> " > is going
> " > " > to be a HUGE problem going forward. People are jumping on
> the
> " > Linux" > bandwagon for all the wrong reasons. It's like
> inviting
> " > foreigners to
> " > " > come over to the United States of America without studying the
> " > " > Constitution!!!
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " > The reasons to go
> " > " > " with Open Source is simply because its better. Its
> better
> " > on price
> " > " > " point, its better on security, its better on
> maintenance,
> " > its better on
> " > " > " support. Simply put, GNU/Linux/Open Source is just
> better
> " > and for those
> " > " > " patriotic souls, is so very American. Open Source got
> its
> " > start in this
> " > " > " country and is based on the same principles and values
> that
> " > were used
> " > " > " when this country was founded. But using a better
> product
> " > is common
> " > " > " sense. If MS creates a better OS than GNU/Linux I would
> go
> " > out and buy
> " > " > " it. But it doesnt make a better OS, it only has a
> stronger
> " > marketing" > " machine. The problem with the Open Source
> " > community is that too many
> " > " > " people are hung up pining away at how MS is bad. We're
> " > focusing on all
> " > " > " the wrong points, the focus has to be turned away from
> MS
> " > and back onto
> " > " > " Linux. If MS makes a better product thats fine the
> problems
> " > are the
> " > " > " limitations imposed on reverse engineering for a better
> " > product. The
> " > " > " auto industry does it, the hardware manufacterers do it,
> " > McDonalds does
> " > " > " it. Everyone reverse engineers, its a normal patter of
> critical" > " > " thinking. But the DMCA law doesnt allow reverse
> " > engineering, not even
> " > " > " to *not* make a profit.
> " > " > "
> " > " >
> " > " > Obviously you know very little about the history of Open
> " > Source since
> " > " > you seem to think that it even has one. The term "Open
> Source" is
> " > " > nothing more than a recently created buzz term to sell
> Free
> " > Software to
> " > " > people that don't have the capacity to understand the
> moral
> " > arguements of
> " > " > the Free Software movement. That's it! (if you didn't get
> that
> " > last" > statement, read it over and over until it sinks in).
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " > Adam Kosmin
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " >
> " > " > " Steve M
> " > " > "
> " > " > "
> " > " >
> " > " > --
> " > " >
> " > " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> " > " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through
> enough
> " > of our
> " > " > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly
> did
> " > contribute a
> " > " > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just
> don't
> " > know what
> " > " > it is."
> " > " >
> " > " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> " > " > ____________________________
> " > " > NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> " > " > Fair Use -
> " > " > because it's either fair use or useless....
> " > " > NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
> " > " >
> " > "
> " > "
> " >
> " > --
> " >
> " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough
> of our
> " > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did
> " > contribute a
> " > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't
> know
> " > whatit is."
> " >
> " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> " > ____________________________
> " > NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> " > Fair Use -
> " > because it's either fair use or useless....
> " > NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
> " >
> "
> " ____________________________
> " NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> " Fair Use -
> " because it's either fair use or useless....
> " NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
> "
>
> --
>
> "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
> complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did
> contribute a
> lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know
> whatit is."
>
> -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
>
____________________________
NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....
NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
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