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| DATE | 2004-01-16 |
| FROM | From: "Steve Milo"
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
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Obviously a sign of a small mind, when someone resorts to name calling
and insults.
Steve M
>
> Steve,
>
> I've had enough of your spoon-fed crap. You're obviously an idiot.
>
> Adam
>
>
> Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> " > " > more functional, but it is not good enough because it is
> not
> " > free
> " > " > (as in
> " > " > speech) and therefore, damages to our society's ability to
> " > " > collaborate,innovate, and protect our privacy.
> " > "
> " > " Actually, more functional is much more than good enough, if
> the
> " > better
> " > " more secure product is available from Microsoft then by all
> " > means it
> " > " should be used.
> " >
> " > This is bullshit. This is exactly the kind of thinking (common
> to
> " > peoplewho subscribe to the Open Source philosophy) that
> threatens
> " > the adoption
> " > of Free Software and (if not stopped) will allow Microsoft to
> build" > whatever toll gates they desire upon the virtual roads
> that we use to
> " > collaborate and communicate.
> "
> " Hey, if I'm the 'common person' who subscribes to the Open
> Source
> " philosphy thats sits fine with me. I know just a little more
> than the
> " common person though. Sounds like you missed a chance to
> convince this
> " 'common person' of how to think.
> "
> " >
> " > Not because it isn't 'free'..as in whatever. But
> " > " because it does the job that is required of it. If the Open
> " > Source
> " > " community can come along and create an equal or better
> product
> " > then that
> " > " software has earned its positions.
> " >
> " > Free as in whatever? How can you not appreciate the freedoms
> " > granted by
> " > the GPL? This stuff is critical and I'd expect anyone
> subscribed
> " > to this
> " > list to be well versed in the benefits.
> "
> " I expect anyone who subscribes to this list to be not only well
> versed
> " in the freedoms granted by the GPL. But to also have an
> understanding
> " of how the judicial and capitalist system of this country works.
> "
> " > If we are talking about widgets then
> " > " the only thing that MS or any other proprietary company is
> " > guilty of is
> " > " defending their products secrets. They haven't infringed on
> " > freedom of
> " > " speech, they are using freedom to persue 'life and liberty'.
> If
> " > MS were
> " > " to go out and seek a court order to silence its critics that
> is
> " > " infringing on freedom of speech. But as far as the widget
> is
> " > concerned,
> " > " MS has everyright to create its product, they can run around
> and
> " > let
> " > " their sales people tell you anything they want to get their
> " > product in
> " > " your hands.
> " >
> " > I don't blame Microsoft for wanting world domination. I blame
> the
> " > idiotswho aren't bright enough to choose a different path and
> who
> " > are so
> " > obsessed with fulfilling their own selfish short term agendas
> " > despite the
> " > costs to innovation.
> "
> " Yeah, its called the cost of convenience. Many company's are
> willing to
> " shell out a few extra bucks for convenience.
> "
> " You missed another chance to convince this 'idiot' to believe
> otherwise."
> " But you also missed a whole other point, MS's 'strength' lies
> not in its
> " product but in its marketing.
> "
> " >
> " > The fault is not with MS when a network crashes due to a
> " > " virus, but the IT director who chose to use MS. In turn
> " > compromising
> " > " the security of their organizations system. No, simply
> because
> " > MS is
> " > " closed source is not a good enough reason to not purchase
> their
> " > product
> " > " and anyone in this day and age will tell you that.
> " >
> " >
> " > No one who understands and agrees with the goals of the Free
> Software" > movement will tell me this crap.
> "
> " Yeah, and for the rest of the world they will buy what they
> think works.
> "
> " Whether you realize it or not, your
> " > statement and thinking has been fed to you by Open Source friendly
> " > marketing departments. From where I'm sitting, I see that this
> is
> " > goingto be a HUGE problem going forward.People are jumping on
> the
> " > Linuxbandwagon for all the wrong reasons. It's like inviting
> " > foreigners to
> " > come over to the United States of America without studying the
> " > Constitution!!!
> "
> " Maybe you should tell your ancentry that came over on the boat
> to go
> " back. Somehow I doubt they learned to appreciate the
> Constitution
> " before they hit these shores.
> "
> " Either way your sending mixed messages. One the one hand you
> want to
> " close the borders off to any new comers, which by itself is
> unAmerican.
> " But on the other hand you state how anti American Microsoft is,
> an
> " American company.
> "
> " Still more hypcritical is how you preach freedom of speech but
> you want
> " to it cut off from people who dont agree with your point of
> view. So am
> " I to believe that freedom of speech applies only to those who
> think like
> " you? If thats true why dont we all just get the first plane to
> North
> " Korea, they will appreicate us there. Oh and that should
> satisfy your
> " requirment for joining on the 'Linux Bandwagon' too, they're all
> " elitists there also.
> "
> " >
> " >
> " > The reasons to go
> " > " with Open Source is simply because its better. Its better
> on
> " > price
> " > " point, its better on security, its better on maintenance,
> its
> " > better on
> " > " support. Simply put, GNU/Linux/Open Source is just better
> and
> " > for those
> " > " patriotic souls, is so very American. Open Source got its
> start
> " > in this
> " > " country and is based on the same principles and values that
> were
> " > used
> " > " when this country was founded. But using a better product
> is
> " > common
> " > " sense. If MS creates a better OS than GNU/Linux I would go
> out
> " > and buy
> " > " it. But it doesnt make a better OS, it only has a stronger
> " > marketing
> " > " machine. The problem with the Open Source community is that
> too
> " > many
> " > " people are hung up pining away at how MS is bad. We're
> focusing
> " > on all
> " > " the wrong points, the focus has to be turned away from MS
> and
> " > back onto
> " > " Linux. If MS makes a better product thats fine the problems
> are
> " > the
> " > " limitations imposed on reverse engineering for a better
> product.
> " > The
> " > " auto industry does it, the hardware manufacterers do it,
> " > McDonalds does
> " > " it. Everyone reverse engineers, its a normal patter of
> critical
> " > " thinking. But the DMCA law doesnt allow reverse
> engineering,
> " > not even
> " > " to *not* make a profit.
> " > "
> " >
> " > Obviously you know very little about the history of Open
> Source since
> " > you seem to think that it even has one. The term "Open Source" is
> " > nothing more than a recently created buzz term to sell Free
> " > Software to
> " > people that don't have the capacity to understand the moral
> " > arguements of
> " > the Free Software movement. That's it! (if you didn't get that
> last" > statement, read it over and over until it sinks in).
> "
> " Lets leave morals in the gutter where they belong. Get off your
> high
> " horse for a few moments. There are times when no one really
> cares about
> " your strong point of view peppered with curse words and indirect
> " insults. It becomes tiring and annoying and counter productive.
> "
> " As far as history goes, BSD seems to have been around for quite
> a few
> " years. GNU/Linux has been making some pretty strong inroads.
> As far as
> " I can recall they're both Open Source..or maybe more properly
> open
> " source. Dont bother correcting me, I'm not interested in your
> point of
> " view peppered with inderect insults.
> "
> " >
> " > Adam Kosmin
> "
> " Overall you have made an interesting effort to pervert what I
> was trying
> " to say. You have managed to completely mangle anything I was
> trying to
> " say. While at the same time trying to insult me inderectly.
> "
> "
> " Steve M
> "
> "
>
> --
>
> "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
> complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did
> contribute a
> lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know
> whatit is."
>
> -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
>
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