MESSAGE
| DATE | 2004-01-16 |
| FROM | From: "Steve Milo"
|
| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
|
That was an interesting turn of events Adam.
Here I was naive enough to think that I gave you my phone number so we
could settle things. But instead you come out and threaten me
continually, on the phone and through emails. Granted there is no proof
and ofcourse for all everyone knows I'm the one stirring up the trouble.
Youre right Adam, youre right I dont have the guts to stand up to you in
person. I've done all the fighting I need to do in High School.
Why not explain this for starters.
" > " 'It's like inviting foreigners to
" > " come over to the United States of America without
" > " studying the Constitution!!!'
Steve M
>
> Ok, I'll look forward to our meeting.
>
> Have a nice day,
>
> Adam
>
> Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> " I'll be doing something important later this afternoon.
> "
> " ----- Original Message -----
> " From: Adam Kosmin
> " Date: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:40 am
> " Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
> "
> " >
> " > I'll call later this afternoon. I'm doing something important now.
> " >
> " >
> " >
> " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> " > "
> " > "
> " > "
> " > " ----- Original Message -----
> " > " From: Adam Kosmin
> " > " Date: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:34 am
> " > " Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
> " > "
> " > " >
> " > " > Got a phone number?
> " > " >
> " > " > Adam
> " > " >
> " > " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> " > " > " Insulting your ancestry?
> " > " > "
> " > " > " 'It's like inviting foreigners to
> " > " > " come over to the United States of America without
> " > " > " studying the Constitution!!!'
> " > " > "
> " > " > " What exactly does this mean Adam?
> " > " > "
> " > " > " Steve M
> " > " > "
> " > " > " >
> " > " > " > Just want to give you a chance to show me how much
> " > conviction
> " > " > you have
> " > " > " > by insulting my ancestors to my face. You feel
> threatened
> " > by that?
> " > " > " >
> " > " > " > Adam
> " > " > " >
> " > " > " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> " > " > " > " Is that an indirect threat Adam?
> " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " Steve M
> " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " ----- Original Message -----
> " > " > " > " From: Adam Kosmin
> " > " > " > " Date: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:18 am
> " > " > " > " Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
> " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > I'm looking forward to meeting you. When can we
> " > arrange that?
> " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > Adam
> " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> " > " > " > " > " Obviously a sign of a small mind, when someone
> " > resorts
> " > " > to
> " > " > " > name
> " > " > " > " > calling
> " > " > " > " > " and insults.
> " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " Steve M
> " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > Steve,
> " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > I've had enough of your spoon-fed crap. You're
> " > " > obviously
> " > " > " > an idiot.
> " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > Adam
> " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> " > " > " > " > " > " > Steve Milo (slavik914-at-rennlist.com) wrote:
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " > more functional, but it is not good
> enough
> " > " > because
> " > " > " > it
> " > " > " > " > is
> " > " > " > " > " > not
> " > " > " > " > " > " > free
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " > (as in
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " > speech) and therefore, damages to our
> " > " > society's
> " > " > " > " > ability to
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " > collaborate,innovate, and protect our
> privacy." > " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " Actually, more functional is much more
> than
> " > good
> " > " > " > enough,
> " > " > " > " > if
> " > " > " > " > " > the
> " > " > " > " > " > " > better
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " more secure product is available from
> " > Microsoft
> " > " > then
> " > " > " > by
> " > " > " > " > all
> " > " > " > " > " > " > means it
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " should be used.
> " > " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > " > This is bullshit. This is exactly the kind
> of
> " > " > thinking
> " > " > " > " > (common
> " > " > " > " > " > to
> " > " > " > " > " > " > peoplewho subscribe to the Open Source
> " > philosophy)
> " > " > " > that
> " > " > " > " > " > threatens
> " > " > " > " > " > " > the adoption
> " > " > " > " > " > " > of Free Software and (if not stopped) will
> " > allow
> " > " > " > Microsoft
> " > " > " > " > to
> " > " > " > " > " > build" > whatever toll gates they desire upon
> the
> " > " > virtual
> " > " > " > " > roads
> " > " > " > " > " > that we use to
> " > " > " > " > " > " > collaborate and communicate.
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " Hey, if I'm the 'common person' who
> subscribes
> " > to
> " > " > the
> " > " > " > Open
> " > " > " > " > " > Source
> " > " > " > " > " > " philosphy thats sits fine with me. I know
> just
> " > a
> " > " > little
> " > " > " > " > more
> " > " > " > " > " > than the
> " > " > " > " > " > " common person though. Sounds like you
> missed a
> " > " > chance
> " > " > " > to
> " > " > " > " > " > convince this
> " > " > " > " > " > " 'common person' of how to think.
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > " > Not because it isn't 'free'..as in
> whatever.
> " > But
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " because it does the job that is required
> of
> " > it.
> " > " > If
> " > " > " > the
> " > " > " > " > Open
> " > " > " > " > " > " > Source
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " community can come along and create an
> equal
> " > or
> " > " > " > better
> " > " > " > " > " > product
> " > " > " > " > " > " > then that
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " software has earned its positions.
> " > " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > " > Free as in whatever? How can you not
> " > appreciate
> " > " > the
> " > " > " > " > freedoms
> " > " > " > " > " > " > granted by
> " > " > " > " > " > " > the GPL? This stuff is critical and I'd
> expect
> " > " > anyone
> " > " > " > " > " > subscribed
> " > " > " > " > " > " > to this
> " > " > " > " > " > " > list to be well versed in the benefits.
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " I expect anyone who subscribes to this list
> to
> " > be
> " > " > not
> " > " > " > only
> " > " > " > " > well
> " > " > " > " > " > versed
> " > " > " > " > " > " in the freedoms granted by the GPL. But to
> also
> " > " > have an
> " > " > " > " > " > understanding
> " > " > " > " > " > " of how the judicial and capitalist system of
> " > this
> " > " > " > country works.
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " > If we are talking about widgets then
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " the only thing that MS or any other
> " > proprietary
> " > " > " > company
> " > " > " > " > is
> " > " > " > " > " > " > guilty of is
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " defending their products secrets. They
> " > haven't
> " > " > " > " > infringed on
> " > " > " > " > " > " > freedom of
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " speech, they are using freedom to persue
> " > 'life
> " > " > and
> " > " > " > " > liberty'.
> " > " > " > " > " > If
> " > " > " > " > " > " > MS were
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " to go out and seek a court order to
> silence
> " > its
> " > " > " > critics
> " > " > " > " > that
> " > " > " > " > " > is
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " infringing on freedom of speech. But as
> far
> " > as
> " > " > the
> " > " > " > " > widget
> " > " > " > " > " > is
> " > " > " > " > " > " > concerned,
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " MS has everyright to create its product,
> " > they
> " > " > can
> " > " > " > run
> " > " > " > " > around
> " > " > " > " > " > and
> " > " > " > " > " > " > let
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " their sales people tell you anything
> they
> " > want
> " > " > to
> " > " > " > get
> " > " > " > " > their
> " > " > " > " > " > " > product in
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " your hands.
> " > " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > " > I don't blame Microsoft for wanting world
> " > " > domination.
> " > " > " > I
> " > " > " > " > blame
> " > " > " > " > " > the
> " > " > " > " > " > " > idiotswho aren't bright enough to choose a
> " > " > different
> " > " > " > path
> " > " > " > " > and
> " > " > " > " > " > who
> " > " > " > " > " > " > are so
> " > " > " > " > " > " > obsessed with fulfilling their own selfish
> " > short
> " > " > term
> " > " > " > " > agendas
> " > " > " > " > " > " > despite the
> " > " > " > " > " > " > costs to innovation.
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " Yeah, its called the cost of convenience.
> Many
> " > " > " > company's
> " > " > " > " > are
> " > " > " > " > " > willing to
> " > " > " > " > " > " shell out a few extra bucks for convenience.
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " You missed another chance to convince this
> " > 'idiot'
> " > " > to
> " > " > " > " > believe
> " > " > " > " > " > otherwise."
> " > " > " > " > " > " But you also missed a whole other point,
> MS's
> " > " > 'strength'
> " > " > " > " > lies
> " > " > " > " > " > not in its
> " > " > " > " > " > " product but in its marketing.
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > " > The fault is not with MS when a network
> " > crashes
> " > " > due to
> " > " > " > a
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " virus, but the IT director who chose to
> use
> " > MS.
> " > " > In
> " > " > " > turn
> " > " > " > " > " > " > compromising
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " the security of their organizations
> system.
> " > No,
> " > " > " > simply
> " > " > " > " > " > because
> " > " > " > " > " > " > MS is
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " closed source is not a good enough
> reason to
> " > not
> " > " > " > " > purchase
> " > " > " > " > " > their
> " > " > " > " > " > " > product
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " and anyone in this day and age will tell
> you
> " > that." > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > " > No one who understands and agrees with the
> " > goals
> " > " > of
> " > " > " > the
> " > " > " > " > Free
> " > " > " > " > " > Software" > movement will tell me this crap.
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " Yeah, and for the rest of the world they
> will
> " > buy
> " > " > what
> " > " > " > they
> " > " > " > " > " > think works.
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " Whether you realize it or not, your
> " > " > " > " > " > " > statement and thinking has been fed to you
> by
> " > Open
> " > " > " > Source
> " > " > " > " > friendly" > " > marketing departments. From where
> I'm
> " > " > sitting,
> " > " > " > I
> " > " > " > " > see that this
> " > " > " > " > " > is
> " > " > " > " > " > " > goingto be a HUGE problem going
> forward.People
> " > are
> " > " > " > jumping
> " > " > " > " > on
> " > " > " > " > " > the
> " > " > " > " > " > " > Linuxbandwagon for all the wrong reasons.
> It's
> " > " > like
> " > " > " > " > inviting
> " > " > " > " > " > " > foreigners to
> " > " > " > " > " > " > come over to the United States of America
> " > without
> " > " > " > studying the
> " > " > " > " > " > " > Constitution!!!
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " Maybe you should tell your ancentry that
> came
> " > over
> " > " > on
> " > " > " > the
> " > " > " > " > boat
> " > " > " > " > " > to go
> " > " > " > " > " > " back. Somehow I doubt they learned to
> " > appreciate
> " > " > the
> " > " > " > " > " > Constitution
> " > " > " > " > " > " before they hit these shores.
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " Either way your sending mixed messages. One
> the
> " > one
> " > " > " > hand
> " > " > " > " > you
> " > " > " > " > " > want to
> " > " > " > " > " > " close the borders off to any new comers,
> which
> " > by
> " > " > itself
> " > " > " > is
> " > " > " > " > " > unAmerican.
> " > " > " > " > " > " But on the other hand you state how anti
> " > American
> " > " > " > Microsoft
> " > " > " > " > is,
> " > " > " > " > " > an
> " > " > " > " > " > " American company.
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " Still more hypcritical is how you preach
> freedom
> " > of
> " > " > " > speech
> " > " > " > " > but
> " > " > " > " > " > you want
> " > " > " > " > " > " to it cut off from people who dont agree
> with
> " > your
> " > " > point
> " > " > " > of
> " > " > " > " > " > view. So am
> " > " > " > " > " > " I to believe that freedom of speech applies
> only
> " > to
> " > " > " > those
> " > " > " > " > who
> " > " > " > " > " > think like
> " > " > " > " > " > " you? If thats true why dont we all just get
> the
> " > " > first
> " > " > " > plane
> " > " > " > " > to
> " > " > " > " > " > North
> " > " > " > " > " > " Korea, they will appreicate us there. Oh
> and
> " > that
> " > " > " > should
> " > " > " > " > " > satisfy your
> " > " > " > " > " > " requirment for joining on the 'Linux
> Bandwagon'
> " > too,
> " > " > " > they're
> " > " > " > " > all
> " > " > " > " > " > " elitists there also.
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > " > The reasons to go
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " with Open Source is simply because its
> " > better.
> " > " > Its
> " > " > " > " > better
> " > " > " > " > " > on
> " > " > " > " > " > " > price
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " point, its better on security, its
> better on
> " > " > " > " > maintenance,
> " > " > " > " > " > its
> " > " > " > " > " > " > better on
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " support. Simply put, GNU/Linux/Open
> Source
> " > is
> " > " > just
> " > " > " > " > better
> " > " > " > " > " > and
> " > " > " > " > " > " > for those
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " patriotic souls, is so very American.
> Open
> " > " > Source
> " > " > " > got
> " > " > " > " > its
> " > " > " > " > " > start
> " > " > " > " > " > " > in this
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " country and is based on the same
> principles
> " > and
> " > " > " > values
> " > " > " > " > that
> " > " > " > " > " > were
> " > " > " > " > " > " > used
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " when this country was founded. But
> using a
> " > " > better
> " > " > " > " > product
> " > " > " > " > " > is
> " > " > " > " > " > " > common
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " sense. If MS creates a better OS than
> " > GNU/Linux
> " > " > I
> " > " > " > would
> " > " > " > " > go
> " > " > " > " > " > out
> " > " > " > " > " > " > and buy
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " it. But it doesnt make a better OS, it
> only
> " > has
> " > " > a
> " > " > " > " > stronger
> " > " > " > " > " > " > marketing
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " machine. The problem with the Open
> Source
> " > " > community
> " > " > " > is
> " > " > " > " > that
> " > " > " > " > " > too
> " > " > " > " > " > " > many
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " people are hung up pining away at how MS
> is
> " > bad.
> " > " >
> " > " > " > We're
> " > " > " > " > " > focusing
> " > " > " > " > " > " > on all
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " the wrong points, the focus has to be
> turned
> " > " > away
> " > " > " > from
> " > " > " > " > MS
> " > " > " > " > " > and
> " > " > " > " > " > " > back onto
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " Linux. If MS makes a better product
> thats
> " > fine
> " > " > the
> " > " > " > " > problems
> " > " > " > " > " > are
> " > " > " > " > " > " > the
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " limitations imposed on reverse
> engineering
> " > for a
> " > " > " > better
> " > " > " > " > " > product.
> " > " > " > " > " > " > The
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " auto industry does it, the hardware
> " > " > manufacterers do
> " > " > " > it,
> " > " > " > " > " > " > McDonalds does
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " it. Everyone reverse engineers, its a
> " > normal
> " > " > patter
> " > " > " > of
> " > " > " > " > " > critical
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " thinking. But the DMCA law doesnt allow
> " > reverse
> " > " > " > " > " > engineering,
> " > " > " > " > " > " > not even
> " > " > " > " > " > " > " to *not* make a profit.
> " > " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > " > Obviously you know very little about the
> " > history
> " > " > of
> " > " > " > Open
> " > " > " > " > " > Source since
> " > " > " > " > " > " > you seem to think that it even has one.
> The
> " > term
> " > " > "Open
> " > " > " > " > Source" is
> " > " > " > " > " > " > nothing more than a recently created buzz
> term
> " > to
> " > " > sell
> " > " > " > " > Free
> " > " > " > " > " > " > Software to
> " > " > " > " > " > " > people that don't have the capacity to
> " > understand
> " > " > the
> " > " > " > " > moral
> " > " > " > " > " > " > arguements of
> " > " > " > " > " > " > the Free Software movement. That's it! (if
> you
> " > " > didn't
> " > " > " > get
> " > " > " > " > that
> " > " > " > " > " > last" > statement, read it over and over until
> it
> " > " > sinks in).
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " Lets leave morals in the gutter where they
> " > belong.
> " > " > Get
> " > " > " > off
> " > " > " > " > your
> " > " > " > " > " > high
> " > " > " > " > " > " horse for a few moments. There are times
> when
> " > no
> " > " > one
> " > " > " > really
> " > " > " > " > " > cares about
> " > " > " > " > " > " your strong point of view peppered with
> curse
> " > words
> " > " > and
> " > " > " > " > indirect
> " > " > " > " > " > " insults. It becomes tiring and annoying and
> " > counter
> " > " > " > productive." > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " As far as history goes, BSD seems to have
> been
> " > " > around
> " > " > " > for
> " > " > " > " > quite
> " > " > " > " > " > a few
> " > " > " > " > " > " years. GNU/Linux has been making some
> pretty
> " > strong
> " > " > " > " > inroads.
> " > " > " > " > " > As far as
> " > " > " > " > " > " I can recall they're both Open Source..or
> maybe
> " > more
> " > " > " > " > properly
> " > " > " > " > " > open
> " > " > " > " > " > " source. Dont bother correcting me, I'm not
> " > " > interested
> " > " > " > in
> " > " > " > " > your
> " > " > " > " > " > point of
> " > " > " > " > " > " view peppered with inderect insults.
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > " > Adam Kosmin
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " Overall you have made an interesting effort
> to
> " > " > pervert
> " > " > " > what
> " > " > " > " > I
> " > " > " > " > " > was trying
> " > " > " > " > " > " to say. You have managed to completely
> mangle
> " > " > anything
> " > " > " > I
> " > " > " > " > was
> " > " > " > " > " > trying to
> " > " > " > " > " > " say. While at the same time trying to
> insult me
> " > " > inderectly." > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > " Steve M
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > --
> " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in
> at
> " > " > least my
> " > " > " > " > " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court
> " > through
> " > " > " > enough
> " > " > " > " > of our
> " > " > " > " > " > complaint to help the Court understand that
> IBM
> " > " > clearly
> " > " > " > did
> " > " > " > " > " > contribute a
> " > " > " > " > " > lot of the Unix-related information into
> Linux. We
> " > " > just
> " > " > " > don't
> " > " > " > " > know
> " > " > " > " > " > whatit is."
> " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> " > " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > --
> " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at
> " > least my
> " > " > " > " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court
> through
> " > " > enough
> " > " > " > of our
> " > " > " > " > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM
> " > clearly
> " > " > did
> " > " > " > " > contribute a
> " > " > " > " > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We
> " > just
> " > " > don't
> " > " > " > know
> " > " > " > " > whatit is."
> " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> " > " > " > " >
> " > " > " > "
> " > " > " > "
> " > " > " >
> " > " > " > --
> " > " > " >
> " > " > " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at
> least my
> " > " > " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through
> " > enough
> " > " > of our
> " > " > " > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM
> clearly
> " > did
> " > " > " > contribute a
> " > " > " > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We
> just
> " > don't
> " > " > know
> " > " > " > whatit is."
> " > " > " >
> " > " > " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> " > " > " >
> " > " > "
> " > " > "
> " > " >
> " > " > --
> " > " >
> " > " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> " > " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through
> enough
> " > of our
> " > " > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly
> did
> " > " > contribute a
> " > " > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just
> don't
> " > know
> " > " > whatit is."
> " > " >
> " > " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> " > " >
> " > "
> " > "
> " >
> " > --
> " >
> " > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> " > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough
> of our
> " > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did
> " > contribute a
> " > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't
> know
> " > whatit is."
> " >
> " > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
> " >
> "
> "
>
> --
>
> "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
> complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did
> contribute a
> lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know
> whatit is."
>
> -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
>
____________________________
NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....
NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
|
|
