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| DATE | 2004-01-17 |
| FROM | Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] leeches=$(diff Free_Software Open_Source)
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"You can have a Ford any color you want so long as it is Black." H. Ford
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Adam Kosmin wrote:
>
> NYLXS,
>
> I am starting to notice a trend and I am not happy about it. For lack of
> a better name, I'll just have some fun and call it the "Steve Milo
> mentality". Rather than allowing ourselves to be disillusioned by the
> growing number of people who are incorporating the use of non
> proprietary software into their daily lives, we need to take an honest
> look at their motives and if necessary, be willing to admit that most of
> these people are nothing more than leeches who could care less about the
> most important aspect of the Free Software movement: Freedom.
>
> Let's refresh our memory as to what I mean when I refer to freedom:
>
> * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
>
> * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to
> your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for
> this.
>
> * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your
> neighbor (freedom 2).
>
> * The freedom to improve the program, and release your
> improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits
> (freedom 3). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
>
> Sadly, this "new blood" has been sold on the philosophy of the Open
> Source campaign which was created in order to sell the byproducts of the
> Free Software development model. As many of us already know, the Open
> Source movement goes out of its way to avoid educating its followers on
> the sociological benefits offered by Free Software, but instead, sells
> its audience on functionality, security, and lower costs. This "free as
> in beer" sales pitch is creating more and more people who claim to
> support our cause but who in fact, are really just interested in getting
> something for nothing.
>
> I think Steve's earlier comment makes my point:
>
> "Actually, more functional is much more than good enough, if the better
> more secure product is available from Microsoft then by all means it
> should be used."
>
> Anyone sharing such a ridiculous point of view obviously does not
> understand the underlying motives that went behind the creation of the
> GPL and yet, we have more and more of these people calling themselves
> "supporters" every day. If I were to apply this to a war, I'd say this
> is like having an army of 10,000 soldiers armed with rubber bands up
> against an army of 100 armed with machine guns and grenades.
>
> Since these people obviously don't understand the GPL or the Free
> Software movement which created it, how can we expect them to defend it?
> Simple answer: They won't and we would be fools to think otherwise.
> People like this are too focused on satisfying their own selfish
> interests. Here's another great comment by Steve which illustrates my
> point:
>
> "Microsoft broke federal laws, they arent bound by the GPL in any form
> or fashion. MS also has questionable business practices. If they were
> to make a better product than GNU/Linux then I would go out and buy
> it.."
>
> So there you have it. These people wouldn't hesitate to finance a
> company who's business model is built upon destroying everything that
> the GPL represents so long as their own self interests are met.
>
> Obviously, there is much work to do. I am grateful for NYLXS' position
> as a supporter of Free Software and am looking forward to participating
> so we can continue to educate the masses on the goals of the movement.
>
> Looking forward to the retreat...
>
> Adam Kosmin
>
>
>
>
> Ruben Safir (ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com) wrote:
> "
> " FOOOOD FIGHT
> "
> "
> " this list has been dull ever since Marco resigned.
> "
> " Ruben
> "
> "
> " On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:29:50PM +0000, psiegel-at-copper.net wrote:
> " >
> " > Gentlemen,
> " >
> " > Enough already. Disagreement is fine. Name calling is not, and,
> " > certainly, threats have no place here.
> " >
> " > If you cannot behave responsibly, please take your argument off this
> " > list.
> " >
> " > Peter
> " >
> " > Peter Siegel
> " >
> " >
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> --
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> "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
> line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
> complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did contribute a
> lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know what
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>
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