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MESSAGE
DATE 2004-01-27
FROM Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] [OT] RMS talk in India

Are you coming with us on Friday Morning?


Ruben

On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 05:56:39PM -0500, akbar wrote:
>
> Stallman cautions Government of Kerala
> --------------------------------------
>
> Richard M Stallman was speaking at Thrissur in Kerala on Jan 22. RMS, as
> he is popularly known in the Internet world (rms-at-gnu.org), was here
> after attending World Social Forum at Mumbai.
>
> Free Software, he said had four levels of freedom. At Freedom Level '0',
> it allowed anyone to use the software for any purpose. RMS added that
> this freedom was offered by most of the proprietary software also.
>
> At Freedom Level '1', he said Free software allowed anyone to study the
> source code. This freedom is not there in the non-free proprietary
> world. Source code never accompanies non-free proprietary softwares. Its
> is even never released. RMS informed that there were numerous instances
> in the past when companies would use their popular software to spy on
> users. He informed that earlier whenever a Windows XP user went on-line,
> the Operating System would inform Microsoft, details of whatever
> software was on the hard-disk of the user. "When this issue became a
> debating issue, Microsoft quietly removed this feature. But only to
> return after a gap. This time the details are encrypted and sent, so
> that no one get to know of this". RMS added that even some freeware
> (proprietary software that doesn't come with source code) available on
> the Internet like RealPlayer also does this.
>
> At Freedom Level '2', RMS said that it allowed anyone freedom to modify
> the code. "You are not at the mercy of the company who sold you the
> product. You are not helpless here. When you observe some malfunctioning
> or you need a feature added to it, you are forced to contact the
> software provider. In free software, you yourself can make the
> modification if you have those skills, or can approach a technical
> programmer nearby to have it fixed for you. Remember, you may have to
> pay him for this service." Free software is not non-commercial, RMS
> added, and said that he himself had been selling CDs in the initial
> stages when he set out to create a world class Operating System. He had
> worked alone, after he quit his job at MIT's Artificial Intelligence Lab
> in 1978, disgusted over AT&T's move to make UNIX operating system,
> proprietary. By 1984, he established the Free Software Foundation, who
> would fund the development activities for reaching the goal of
> presenting the global citizen a Free Operating System.
>
> At Freedom Level '3', the user of a free software could share his
> software with his friend or neighbour. "In proprietary software world,
> this is a crime. Isn't this practice that tells you not to share
> anything with anyone, an evil ? Way back, when I started out on my
> mission, everyone had this kind of culture, where sharing and
> co-operation was the mark of the day. I had convinced myself on the need
> to carry this culture ahead, in my programme." This is where Free
> Software pushes every other software behind, he said. "This movement,
> this Free Software Foundation's movement is based on certain core values
> centred around social, political and ethical issues, and is not merely
> making available software free of cost. It is a political movement and
> looks at the ethical issues." RMS heavily cautioned against using
> proprietary software in schools, even if it were available at a cheaper
> price or free of cost. "Its like tobacco companies giving away free
> cigarettes to children. Their motive is totally different. You have to
> take this aspect into notice." The packed hall at John Mathai Centre at
> Thrissur listened to the great crusader of justice in the software world
> in rapt attention. "Even if the company offers such solutions free of
> cost, they may charge later for its upgrades. You need to watch out, be
> very careful here. Would you want such a generation of citizens here, in
> this part of the world?"
>
> Governments the world over are beginning to appreciate the dangers that
> accompany proprietary software and are bringing in legislation to curb
> the tendencies in Public Institutions. "This is however not the case
> with your Goverment of Kerala. Let me tell you, they have already
> computerised most of their programmes in the Departments of Finance and
> Local Self Governments on proprietary non-free software. You have to
> resist this move. This is not in the interest of the Citizens here. You
> got to tell this to your Government. Most of the other departments would
> need to interact with these departments, at a later stage. Moreover,
> when the Government makes the decision, it is slipping into a state of
> helplessness, as later on, it will be dependant on the company to make
> any alterations or modifications, even if you have the technical skills
> to do it yourself. You are losing your independence. Your freedom is
> highly compromised when you use software whose source code is held
> secret. Anything can happen. Things can be controlled from remote,
> without your knowledge ,using spy code. For public enterprises, this is
> not in good taste. This has to be converted into a political issue."
>
> "Moreover, when you are using non-standard and non-free formats of
> storing data, you are becoming totally dependant on the supplier. The
> Government has to make considerable investment in this area,
> immediately, without losing any more time. The more the time lapse, the
> greater would be the level of dependance and the cost of migrating back
> to free software. In case you need my help, let me tell you, the FSF
> people in India are there to offer any kind of technical help." RMS
> cautioned the designs that are taking shape across the globe to bring in
> a kind of "electronic colonisation". "There are people planning to do
> wrong things. You are a world citizen now. You got to resist this
> tendency at every level possible."
>
> RMS also answered to a volley of questions on issues that confronted
> free software elsewhere. SCO had sued IBM against using GNU Linux that
> it said was using pieces of its own code. "I don't think SCO is going to
> win. The judge has given SCO just one month time to point out exactly
> those parts of the code in the Linux kernel, that it finds
> objectionable. I don't think SCO would be able to do this. Even if they
> succeed, there is no reason for any panic, the maintainers of the kernel
> would come out with appropriate fixes. It would be another opportunity
> for the maintainers to show their programming skills."
>
> "Let me tell you that Linux is not the only kernel which is there on GNU
> platform. There is also the Hurd kernel, used by GNU Hurd operating
> system." "When I started, my mission had been to build a complete
> operating system, which I would be calling GNU, acronym for GNU's Not
> Unix. Most of the components for the GNU were completed, except for a
> small portion, the kernel, without which we couldn't launch the product.
> In 1991 Linus Torvalds had built a kernel, that was the only part which
> was missing. Linus didn't inform us, he just searched the net to find
> all our products that we were giving as free software under the copyleft
> and took it and completed. This was an unethical move by Torvalds. He
> should have informed us."
>
> On a question on which distributor of GNU Linux is preferred, RMS said
> that "most distributors include non-free software along with free
> software. This is not good. To me, I think Debian version is totally
> free. It doesn't have any non-free software. The Debian license
> explicity maintains this stand. However among other variants, I think
> Red Hat and Mandrake are committing fewer mistakes, fewer errors. Red
> Hat and Mandrake doesn't produce non-free software. They are not
> involved. Red Hat in fact produces free software. Companies like Suse
> produces non-free software. This is wrong."
>
> RMS, left the hall apparently not being able to cope up with the high
> level of humidity. "I am not used to working in this kind of
> environment. Its too hot. Your country is too hot for me." RMS shook
> hands with everyone who came forward and posed for photographs. In his
> iterinary, RMS would be also meeting the leader of Opposition of the
> Kerala Legislative Assembly, apart from giving a few more lectures
> during course of his tour.
>
> -----------------
> CK Raju
>
>
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  86. 2004-01-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  87. 2004-01-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tomorrows Board Meeting
  88. 2004-01-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tomorrows Board Meeting
  89. 2004-01-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tomorrows Board Meeting
  90. 2004-01-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  91. 2004-01-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  92. 2004-01-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flame war
  93. 2004-01-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] tech night
  94. 2004-01-17 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] tech night
  95. 2004-01-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] tech night
  96. 2004-01-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] tech night
  97. 2004-01-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flame war
  98. 2004-01-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] leeches=$(diff Free_Software Open_Source)
  99. 2004-01-17 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [hangout] Flame war
  100. 2004-01-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Selfishness...
  101. 2004-01-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] leeches=$(diff Free_Software Open_Source)
  102. 2004-01-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] leeches=$(diff Free_Software Open_Source)
  103. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fwd: Web Hosting
  104. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  105. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  106. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  107. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Keep it civil
  108. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  109. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] LDAP/Perl Expert-NJ Consulting Firm, United States, NJ, Bedminster]
  110. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [cudye-at-novell.com: NYC Event - Novell/SUSE/Ximian Presentation on Linux Initiatives]
  111. 2004-01-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] wireless access near javitts?
  112. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  113. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Why couldn't the Expo Overlap with a weekend?
  114. 2004-01-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Why couldn't the Expo Overlap with a weekend?
  115. 2004-01-16 From: "John Mullen" <john-at-mullensystems.com> Subject: [hangout] Why couldn't the Expo Overlap with a weekend?
  116. 2004-01-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] wireless access near javitts?
  117. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  118. 2004-01-16 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  119. 2004-01-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  120. 2004-01-16 psiegel-at-copper.net Subject: [hangout] Keep it civil
  121. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  122. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  123. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  124. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  125. 2004-01-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  126. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  127. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  128. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  129. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  130. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  131. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  132. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  133. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  134. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  135. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  136. 2004-01-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  137. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  138. 2004-01-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  139. 2004-01-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  140. 2004-01-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  141. 2004-01-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: Linux Kernel (SuSE-SA:2004:003) [thomas-at-suse.de]
  142. 2004-01-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  143. 2004-01-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Software Developer/Consultant (Perl/Unix/Sybase) (onsite), United States, NY, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  144. 2004-01-15 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  145. 2004-01-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  146. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Does Dell Support Linux? - MozillaQuest Magazine - Page 3 [wanderson-at-nac.net]
  147. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [EmperorLinux-Announce] See Linux Laptops with 54mbps 802.11g and swsusp at LWE [lincoln-at-EmperorLinux.com]
  148. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Software Developer/Consultant (Perl/Unix/Sybase) (onsite), United States, NY, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  149. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  150. 2004-01-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] movie
  151. 2004-01-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] movie
  152. 2004-01-14 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  153. 2004-01-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting
  154. 2004-01-14 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  155. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Classes Given by Fund for the City of New York
  156. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Classes Given by Fund for the City of New York
  157. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Project Leader - Production Support (onsite), United States, New York, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  158. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Perl Production Support (onsite), United States, NY, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  159. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Required PERL Expert for Lehman Brothers (onsite), United States, New York, New York City [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  160. 2004-01-13 From: "John Mullen" <john-at-mullensystems.com> Re: [hangout] re: review: SUSE 9.0
  161. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  162. 2004-01-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] re: review: SUSE 9.0
  163. 2004-01-13 From: "M. Halegua" <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Subject: [hangout] re: review: SUSE 9.0
  164. 2004-01-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Non-Profit status.
  165. 2004-01-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Estimate
  166. 2004-01-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  167. 2004-01-12 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  168. 2004-01-12 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] on craigslist a project opportunity
  169. 2004-01-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Adobe software on fedora?
  170. 2004-01-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Tuesday 13 January 2004 Lisp NYC: Meet and Eat and Drink at Blondies on the Island of the Manahattoes (fwd)
  171. 2004-01-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Non FOSS and Fedora
  172. 2004-01-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) Re: [tech-geeks] XP Home in Win2K Domain
  173. 2004-01-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Span Can Do bill?
  174. 2004-01-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] technight
  175. 2004-01-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Abode Photospho FBI Hooks
  176. 2004-01-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy Hacking
  177. 2004-01-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] technight
  178. 2004-01-11 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] (OT) The State of Perl
  179. 2004-01-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [tech-geeks] XP Home in Win2K Domain
  180. 2004-01-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> iRe: [hangout] technight
  181. 2004-01-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] technight
  182. 2004-01-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FYI: Novell Unveils Ximian Desktop Update For SUSE Linux 9
  183. 2004-01-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] technight
  184. 2004-01-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [tech-geeks] 8th grader suspended for using "net send"
  185. 2004-01-10 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] Re: Better than Knoppix (fwd)
  186. 2004-01-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] technight
  187. 2004-01-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] modperl ecommerce template programmer (telecommute), United States, PA, Philadelphia]
  188. 2004-01-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] 64bit MYSQL
  189. 2004-01-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite.
  190. 2004-01-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: RE: [hangout] Liquidator: 6,500 tech firms among 'walking dead'
  191. 2004-01-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] 64bit MYSQL
  192. 2004-01-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Liquidator: 6,500 tech firms among 'walking dead'
  193. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSF Seminars Explaining the GPL in NYC January 20, 21
  194. 2004-01-06 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] FYI: Novell Unveils Ximian Desktop Update For SUSE Linux 9
  195. 2004-01-06 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] FSF Seminars Explaining the GPL in NYC January 20, 21
  196. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ Free Software Chamber of Commerce ] Free Software Cost anal ysis by Microsoft
  197. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Woops -
  198. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Cost analysis by Microsoft
  199. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell - The Free SOftware Alternative
  200. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Applied Data Systems (ADS) Single Board Computers fu [fsalloum-at-applieddata.net]
  201. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] 64bit MYSQL
  202. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Copyright Lawsuite against the RIAA
  203. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Copyright Lawsuite against the RIAA
  204. 2004-01-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Copyright Lawsuite against the RIAA
  205. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  206. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  207. 2004-01-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nat-at-ximian.com: Re: Summit wiki.]
  208. 2004-01-05 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] hostile corps, wdl?!
  209. 2004-01-05 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  210. 2004-01-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] test
  211. 2004-01-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  212. 2004-01-05 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  213. 2004-01-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I will be away for a few months...and looking for help in ICT policy
  214. 2004-01-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] 501c status.
  215. 2004-01-05 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Librarian
  216. 2004-01-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Librarian
  217. 2004-01-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] test
  218. 2004-01-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Users] ANNOUNCE: Openswan 1.0.0 Released [ken-at-xelerance.com]
  219. 2004-01-04 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Software Services Opportunities
  220. 2004-01-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Toys
  221. 2004-01-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] 501c status.
  222. 2004-01-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Lake Placid Retreat the last weekend of January
  223. 2004-01-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lake Placid Retreat the last weekend of January
  224. 2004-01-29 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] Lake Placid
  225. 2004-01-27 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] [OT] RMS talk in India
  226. 2004-01-26 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] [OT] RMS talk in India
  227. 2004-01-20 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM denies moving to desktop Linux by 2005
  228. 2004-01-19 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] how did we miss this?
  229. 2004-01-18 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  230. 2004-01-18 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] possible talk topics at the retreat?
  231. 2004-01-18 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] Top 10 Open Source Tools for eActivism
  232. 2004-01-16 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] [TechForum] Fwd: Open Source Library Presentation
  233. 2004-01-16 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> RE: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  234. 2004-01-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: ogg tutorial
  235. 2004-01-15 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  236. 2004-01-14 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] [TechForum] re: Tech Position at EBC
  237. 2004-01-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] DotGNU in Software Development Times
  238. 2004-01-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Has RealNetworks Violated the DMCA?

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