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After about 30 minutes of trying to explain this, I realized that he would just keep playing his silly game regardless of how much logic I bestowed onto him. The reason was simple: it was the only game that he knew. Ignorance can be so powerful... I think the funniest part of the response below is how anyone could think that a Microsoft employee could be giving anything away for free. Are we talking about upfront dollar costs alone? If so, fine. We have now established the fact that we are able to grasp the small picture (which quite honestly, does not impress me). What I am talking about is something a bit broader in scope. DRM and TCPA will have a significant impact on our society (more so of course as the numbers of misled and apathetic "users" spend their money on its ground-level infrastructure). More specifically, these technologies will cripple our ability to communicate, innovate, and protect our private data from "trusted" sources. Now that we've peeked out and seen a glimpse of this reality, do we still think that Windows 2003 can ever be free? The answer is no. Windows 2003, regardless of how it is obtained has many long terms costs and I'll go as far to say that anyone who authorizes its use in an educational institution is totally irresponsible and should be fired. I am disappointed that so many people on this list fail to see the significance in the views that I have expressed and are short-sighted enough to see my comments as anything but something that may threaten their ability to run after the bones that are being tossed out by our friendly neighborhood Microsoft representative. Yet, I remain encouraged by many others on the list that do "get it" and are obviously working hard to improve the quality of their services for the benefit of their environment and its users. Keep up the good work! Adam Kosmin Stoneking, Troy (stonekingt-at-district87.org) wrote: " "Once you allow yourself to get locked in to this stuff, you and your data may never escape it. Mark my words..." " " This post of yours is more about fear-mongering than bashing. " " "However, I'll continue to call it like it is." Read - You'll call it as YOUsee it. " " Pretty slippery defense, especially since I never accused you of 'bashing' but rather that the post was "100% anti-Microsoft". I'm going to drop this one now, and FYI, I read your post more than once before my response, perhaps you should check mine twice before you respond so you know exactly what I said. :-) I'll leave you to your world now; I hope it is a nice one. " " I'll be impressed when Brian offers something free and you fail to comment or (unlikely as it may seem) respond positively. " " Have a good night. " " -Troy " " " -----Original Message----- " From: Adam Kosmin [mailto:akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com] " Sent: Mon 11/10/2003 6:14 PM " To: tech-geeks-at-tech-geeks.org " Cc: " Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] mail/collaboration package " " " " I understand that you may not enjoy every post that I send. Fair enough. " However, I'll continue to call it like it is. If you read the post " again, you'll see that it has nothing to do with bashing Microsoft (that " is too easy). Rather, it was a warning to avoid the company's DRM/TCPA " groundwork. " " Your welcome, " " Adam Kosmin " " Stoneking, Troy (stonekingt-at-district87.org) wrote: " " Adam, " " " " I think you are headed back in the 'No one should use Microsoft because " " I hate it personally' direction. This is in line with a post you made " " last week to which Tom Steele made an excellent reply. I'll say the " " same thing. You may hate Microsoft and everything it stands for, but " " there are others (the vast majority of folks on the list) who are open " " to good ideas and products from ANYWHERE. This includes Open Source, " " Free, MS, Mac, Novell, etc. Please do not continue to taint this list " " with 100% anti-MS posts. I have appreciated many of your recent posts " " because they have been valuable to users...but this post from you is " " simply non-productive. " " " " We welcome you as a valuable member, please respect the thoughts, " " opinions, and input of others. " " " " On a personal note IMHO Brian Adams is one of the top three contributors " " on this list. " " " " Thanks! " " " " -Troy " " " " _________________________________________ " " Troy Stoneking, MCSE (NT, 2K), CCNA " " Network Manager " " Bloomington Public Schools " " (309) 828-7115 " " (309) 828-1184 (Fax) " " " " -----Original Message----- " " From: Adam Kosmin [mailto:akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com] " " Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:00 AM " " To: tech-geeks-at-tech-geeks.org " " Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] mail/collaboration package " " " " " " Correct me if I'm wrong but this stuff will lay the groundwork for " " Microsoft's DRM push right? " " " " Folks, I strongly urge you to resist the $0 temptation on this one. Once " " you allow yourself to get locked in to this stuff, you and your data may " " never escape it. Mark my words... " " " " Adam Kosmin " " " " " " Brian Adams (MCS) (brianad-at-microsoft.com) wrote: " " " For those that have deployed or are looking to deploy Office XP or " " Windows Server 2003, both include SharePoint Team Services or Windows " " SharePoint Services, respectfully. Both are $0, and will do the " " portal/document management thing... " " " " More info at: " " " " " " SharePoint Team Services " " " http://www.microsoft.com/catalog/display.asp?site=10901&subid=22&pg=4 " " " " " " Windows SharePoint Services: " " " " " http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/sharepoint/defau " " lt.mspx " " " " " " " " " " " " ________________________________ " " " " " " From: Mark Drone [mailto:mdrone-at-effingham.net] " " " Sent: Sat 11/8/2003 07:59 AM " " " To: tech-geeks-at-tech-geeks.org " " " Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] mail/collaboration package " " " " " " " " " " " " Good morning Terry, " " " " " " You have a good list started. As you know, I like the Linux/E-smith " " server " options, but have had years of experience managing that " " environment. There " are some nice options for Win32 servers listed " " down below, but first...my " opinion (which you are more than welcome to " " fast-forward past and get to " the $md stuff .... {grin} ) " " " " Instead of the EZMLM list-server package (which is superb), I'm using " " " Mailman as our list-server (also superb). It has features galore, and " " then " some. I also would suggest the Geeklog CMS as a "one-stop-center" " " that can " do many of the things you list in an integrated, " " easy-to-manage system, " including a file management add-in. Abe has " " done a great job (actually a " GREAT job) of putting the TechGeeks " " website together and making it easy to " use, both from an end-user " " standpoint, a contributor's standpoint, and a " site manager's " " standpoint. Maintenance is an administrator's dream. He " has also set " " up Geeklog for one of Area V's projects, the ITS-REAL Grant " (see " " http://216.125.202.199/itsreal/) Check it out to see another very nice " " " rendition. " " " " For document storage and exchange (on E-smith), check out FileExchange " " " (http://www.tech-geeks.org/article.php?story=20021125155140376) " " " or WebShare " " " (http://contribs.org/contribs/dmay/mitel/contrib/webshare/) " " " " " " I could go on and on about the advantages/disadvantages of list-serves " " " and/or forums and/or CMS and/or Portals and/or newsgroups and the " " " fascinating sociology of each. Bottom line (IMHO): The adage "if you " " build " it, they will come" only works if there is inherent value to the " " end " user. It seems pretty evident that the tech-geeks list-serve has " " been " successful in attracting the people that it was intended to " " reach. I'm not " sure a newsgroup or threaded discussion forum would " " have had the same " impact. Basically an information "push-pull" issue. " " " " " " OK...finally...the free stuff. " " " Here are some very nice options for the Win32 IIS server that has all " " the " .NET and SQL ingredients pre-mixed in (with links to getting the " " .NET and " SQL stuff that's needed): " " " " http://www.asp.net/Default.aspx?tabindex=7&tabid=41 " " " http://www.asp.net/Forums/Download " " " " " " The ASP .NET Forum is very nice. While not explicitly open source, the " " " developers say "With the Beta 1 release of the forums we would like to " " also " invite our developer community to participate in the evolution of " " the " ASP.NET Forums...", which sounds like you can take it and run with " " it if " you are so inclined. " " " " From their description: "It's absolutely free and takes only minutes " " to " install!" " "This toolkit requires Windows 2000, Windows XP " " Professional, or Window " Server 2003, the Microsoft? .NET? Framework " " and SQL Server or Microsoft " Data Engine (MSDE) version 7.0 (or later)" " " " " " " Here's a live sample: http://www.stpworks.com/Forums/ " " " (and while you're looking at STPWorks, check out this guy's very sweet " " " "Database Administrator" and "Newsletter Manager" apps in the " " Downloads " area. You'll like! The newsletter thing is done using XML " " as the "database".) " " " " The DotNetNuke CMS also looks appealing. " " " " " " http://www.dotnetnuke.com/DesktopDefault.aspx " " " " " " DotNetNuke is Open Source. Scan the "Major Features" on their front " " page. " " " " I couldn't find much in the way of a document management system for " " $0md, " but that doesn't mean that it's not out there awaiting " " discovery. Could " this be a good project for Jim Peterson's " " GeekPlayground developers?? " " " " -MD " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " At 10:11 PM 11/7/2003, you wrote: " " " " " " >Some geeks are members of ICE and attended the IIF meeting " " " > http://www.metiri.com/iif/ " " " > " " " >After the meeting I spoke briefly with Tom Bookler, and he asked " " about " >setting up server space for " " " >* group/subgroup listservs " " " >* threaded discussions " " " >* document repository, etc. " " " >* calendar and note section " " " >* It needs to be lightweight and SIMPLE " " " >* ... And ... YEP... ideally priced in md's ;-) " " " >I see some options but really want your opinionS. " " " >* ICE owns a nice Dell Windows 2003 server running IIS and SQL " " 2000.. " " " >o we could purchase and install Microsoft SharePoint Server " " (real " " " >money) " " " >o we could try to find a Perl or ASP app to run on IIS " " " >* We can try linux with SME-esmith and one of the mail/list bbs " " " >packages. " " " >o Q-mail, with Web imp and upgrades " " " >(http://www.familybrown.org/howtos/imp321-upgrade.html) " " " >o Phorum (http://phorum.org/) " " " >o EzMLM (http://www.ezmlm.org/) " " " >o MailMan (http://www.list.org/) " " " >o Build it around the UltraApps Portal package " " " >(http://www.ultraapps.com/index.html) " " " >Comments on these packages appreciated and other ideas welcome too. " " Just " >remember it needs to be set up soon, simple, and easy to " " maintain. 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Tonight? Sunday (tomorrow?) 2003-11-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Tech Nite this weekend? Tonight? Sunday (tomorrow?) 2003-11-09 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Tech Nite this weekend? Tonight? Sunday 2003-11-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Tech Nite this weekend? Tonight? Sunday (tomorrow?) 2003-11-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME SUMIT MEETING TONITE PLEASE at 7:30PM 2003-11-09 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] technlogy in education roundtable 2003-11-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Volunteers needed for Summit Set Up 2003-11-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Volunteers needed for Summit Set Up 2003-11-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Pasha 2003-11-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging Pasha 2003-11-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging Pasha 2003-11-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Senior web mod_perl / DBI Programmer (onsite), United States, NY, NYC] 2003-11-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [krahmer-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: hylafax (SuSE-SA:2003:045)] 2003-11-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME on Saturday 11/22 2003-11-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS GNOME STUFF 2003-11-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [announce-at-ssc.com: LJ's 2004 editorial calendar] 2003-11-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [tech-geeks] mail/collaboration package 2003-11-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: #386: Pipes in Jer. Post on "Bush the Radical" [dplist-at-danielpipes.org] 2003-11-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: FW: GNOME on Saturday 11/22 2003-11-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: FW: GNOME on Saturday 11/22 2003-11-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Gnome Conference 2003-11-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Summit Wireless 2003-11-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Finding your quotes 2003-11-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Finding your quotes 2003-11-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME SUMMIT Calander update is not up 2003-11-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] GNOME SUMMIT Calander update is now up 2003-11-13 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] MSN, Google & Linux 2003-11-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The NYLXS Challenge 2003-11-13 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] MSN, Google & Linux 2003-11-13 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] MSN, Google & Linux 2003-11-13 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Forwarded mail.... 2003-11-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Forwarded mail.... 2003-11-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] tbaum-at-sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu: Fwd: FW: 11/22/ GNOME conference 2003-11-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Forwarded mail.... 2003-11-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Forwarded mail.... 2003-11-14 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Paging Rob 2003-11-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Paging Rob 2003-11-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging Rob 2003-11-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ecom106-at-USPTO.GOV: TRADEMARK APPLICATION NO. 78178384 - NYLXS - N/A] 2003-11-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [ecom106-at-USPTO.GOV: TRADEMARK APPLICATION NO. 78178384 2003-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [ecom106-at-USPTO.GOV: TRADEMARK APPLICATION NO. 78178384 - NYLXS - N/A] 2003-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Steve Milo 2003-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME SUMMIT PLANNING Meeting 2003-11-16 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME SUMMIT PLANNING Meeting (Time and Location 2003-11-16 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Morality and MS 2003-11-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Morality and MS 2003-11-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Gnome 2003-11-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] A much more complete analysis of the msn search engine... 2003-11-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] A much more complete analysis of the msn search eng 2003-11-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] A much more complete analysis of the msn search eng ine... 2003-11-17 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Joe Grastara and Rob Morino 2003-11-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] A much more complete analysis of the msn search eng ine... 2003-11-17 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Att: Ceasar and Rob. 2003-11-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Summit Plans -Chairs and Trophies 2003-11-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC U conference setup 2003-11-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Preparations for the GNOME Summit 2003-11-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CHAIRS CHAIRS CHAIRS 2003-11-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference New York Summit 2003-11-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLUG Meeting Tomorrow 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Summit wiki. [nat-at-ximian.com] 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Summit wiki. [nat-at-ximian.com] 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Summit wiki. [nat-at-ximian.com] 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Summit wiki. [nat-at-ximian.com] 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki. 2003-11-30 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project 2003-11-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night 2003-11-30 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Tech Night 2003-11-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project 2003-11-29 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Tech Night 2003-11-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Library 2003-11-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night 2003-11-29 From: "M. Halegua" <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Subject: [hangout] Next DeLUGE meeting 2003-11-29 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Tech Night 2003-11-29 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Tech Night 2003-11-29 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] tossing old computer shells 2003-11-29 From: "michael howard" <mhoward-at-mailworks.org> Subject: [hangout] tossing old computer shells 2003-11-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project 2003-11-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project 2003-11-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Post PR of the Summit 2003-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project 2003-11-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] ogle 2003-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] ogle 2003-11-27 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ogle 2003-11-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] linux terminal server project www.ltsp.org 2003-11-27 From: "michael howard" <mhoward-at-mailworks.org> Subject: [hangout] linux terminal server project www.ltsp.org 2003-11-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Conference Website 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Kings Games After Stuff 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Kings Games After Stuff 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sorry for being out of touch 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [opus-at-gnu.org: Re: confusion about books] 2003-11-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] 'Master' and 'slave' computer labels unacceptable, officials say 2003-11-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Board meeting 2003-11-26 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Sorry for being out of touch 2003-11-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sorry for being out of touch 2003-11-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Conference Congradulations and Acknoledgements 2003-11-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Conference Congradulations and Acknoledgements 2003-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Database Programmer (onsite), United States, PA, Radnor] 2003-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Mailing List Code Tweaker (telecommute), United States, NY, New York] 2003-11-24 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I meant New Mexico. 2003-11-24 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Greetings from Chicago. 2003-11-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Dinner. 2003-11-22 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] U.S. Courts hires vendor to migrate to Linux/Intel platform 2003-11-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tripod 2003-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today 2003-11-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Awards 2003-11-21 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Awards 2003-11-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Contact Infor for MRBRKLYN 2003-11-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SWAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Dinner Speech 2003-11-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Dinner Speech 2003-11-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Taking a step back. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Attendees count 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Where People are coming from 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Literature 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dinner Speech 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Awards 2003-11-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tripod 2003-11-20 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tripod 2003-11-20 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Awards 2003-11-20 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Outstanding Issues 2003-11-20 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Need a copy of osx 2003-11-20 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Buttons? 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] This is my location today if you need me 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Outstanding Issues 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Buttons? 2003-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] Pre-Summit activities 2003-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Questions for you on the upcoming Gnome Summit 2003-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCO To Expand Its Lawsuit Beyond Linux 2003-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [carlos-at-gnome.org: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] looking for a place to sleep] 2003-11-20 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Need a copy of osx 2003-11-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Rob Marino. 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Annual Fundraising Dinner Invitation 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Annual Fundraising Dinner Invitation 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit t-shirts 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Fwd: hotspot setup] 2003-11-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night. 2003-11-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night. 2003-11-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night. 2003-11-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night. 2003-11-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The NYLXS Challenge 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC U conference setup 2003-11-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Summit Annoucnement 2003-11-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC U conference setup 2003-11-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME Summit Annoucnement 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC U conference setup 2003-11-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC U conference setup 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Kings Games Is Installing GNU/Linux Server for the Plant here 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Gnome Summit Help 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Summit Annoucnement 2003-11-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki. 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki. 2003-11-18 punisher-at-acedsl.com Re: [hangout] Kings Games chairs. 2003-11-18 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Kings Games chairs. 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki. 2003-11-25 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] Conference Congradulations and Acknoledgements 2003-11-13 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] The NYLXS Challenge 2003-11-13 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] MSN, Google & Linux 2003-11-13 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] MSN, Google & Linux 2003-11-03 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Gnome and Board Meeting 2003-11-03 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Gome 2003-11-06 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Diebold Voting Case Tests DMCA 2003-11-06 Mike Richardson - 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