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DATE 2003-10-01

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MESSAGE
DATE 2003-10-23
FROM Steve Milo
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Technite Saturday.

I dont know what Rubens plans are but there will be a technite Saturday
with alot of things on the agenda.

Troubleshooting sound devices on a Debian install on a PowerBook.

There will probably be discussion of Scribus a new open source desktop
publishing software. It required QT3.x to have installed in order to run.

Steve M

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  1. 2003-10-02 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  2. 2003-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fedora and Red Hat to Merge
  3. 2003-10-02 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  4. 2003-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Education Sub-committee
  5. 2003-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYPC October General Meeting - Open Source: Beyond Linux
  6. 2003-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  7. 2003-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night Change
  8. 2003-10-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] UN Summit Tones Down Open-Source Stance
  9. 2003-10-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fedora and Red Hat to Merge
  10. 2003-10-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [krahmer-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: mysql (SuSE-SA:2003:042)]
  11. 2003-10-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  12. 2003-10-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  13. 2003-10-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [thomas-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: openssl (SuSE-SA:2003:043)]
  14. 2003-10-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  15. 2003-10-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [draht-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] Discontinued SuSE Linux Distributions]
  16. 2003-10-01 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  17. 2003-10-01 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  18. 2003-10-01 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  19. 2003-10-01 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  20. 2003-10-01 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  21. 2003-10-01 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  22. 2003-10-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: DRM Revolt
  23. 2003-10-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: DRM Revolt
  24. 2003-10-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Copyright Lawsuit Is Turnabout for SCO
  25. 2003-10-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Samba beats Windows
  26. 2003-10-12 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Subversive code.
  27. 2003-10-12 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Subversive code.
  28. 2003-10-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Subversive code.
  29. 2003-10-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: A couple of thoughts
  30. 2003-10-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] install-hangout day saturday or sunday?
  31. 2003-10-11 From: "michael howard" <h00man1-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] install-hangout day saturday or sunday?
  32. 2003-10-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME Summit
  33. 2003-10-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME Summit
  34. 2003-10-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-discuss] pho: SunnComm to sue Halderman? (fwd)
  35. 2003-10-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Press Release For Immediate Re lease
  36. 2003-10-10 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] SysV
  37. 2003-10-10 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Press Release For Immediate Re
  38. 2003-10-10 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-discuss] pho: SunnComm to sue Halderman? (fwd)
  39. 2003-10-10 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] GNOME Summit
  40. 2003-10-10 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: GNOME Summit [behdad-at-cs.toronto.edu]
  41. 2003-10-10 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Press Release For Immediate Release
  42. 2003-10-10 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  43. 2003-10-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: GNOME Summit [behdad-at-cs.toronto.edu]
  44. 2003-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Certification
  45. 2003-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting
  46. 2003-10-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  47. 2003-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Press Release For Immediate Release
  48. 2003-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  49. 2003-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Press Release For Immediate Release
  50. 2003-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  51. 2003-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  52. 2003-10-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell to launch Linux qualification
  53. 2003-10-09 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: minor website nitpicks
  54. 2003-10-09 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: Press Release For Immediate Release
  55. 2003-10-09 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Subject: [hangout] minor website nitpicks
  56. 2003-10-09 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  57. 2003-10-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Press Release For Immediate Release
  58. 2003-10-09 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Re: Press Release For Immediate Release
  59. 2003-10-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Press Release For Immediate Release
  60. 2003-10-09 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  61. 2003-10-09 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  62. 2003-10-09 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  63. 2003-10-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Handout/Flyer...Let me know what you think
  64. 2003-10-09 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Edited and Proofed
  65. 2003-10-09 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  66. 2003-10-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  67. 2003-10-09 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  68. 2003-10-09 From: "TechVenue.com Services" <Services-at-TechVenue.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Press Release For Immediate Release
  69. 2003-10-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: Press Release For Immediate Release
  70. 2003-10-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  71. 2003-10-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Press Release For Immediate Release
  72. 2003-10-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Press Release For Immediate Release
  73. 2003-10-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  74. 2003-10-09 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  75. 2003-10-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Edited and Proofed
  76. 2003-10-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Edited and Proofed
  77. 2003-10-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  78. 2003-10-09 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] Edited and Proofed
  79. 2003-10-09 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  80. 2003-10-09 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  81. 2003-10-09 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  82. 2003-10-09 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  83. 2003-10-09 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  84. 2003-10-08 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Please check spelling before I send this out.
  85. 2003-10-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware 9.1: The installation experience (in full)
  86. 2003-10-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft dominance of OS market grows, IDC study says
  87. 2003-10-08 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] oops
  88. 2003-10-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  89. 2003-10-08 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Meeting Wednesday October 8th: Forest Mars - You are
  90. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  91. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  92. 2003-10-07 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  93. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  94. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  95. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  96. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  97. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  98. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  99. 2003-10-07 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  100. 2003-10-07 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  101. 2003-10-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Viao is almost fixed
  102. 2003-10-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Product Liability Lawsuits Are New Threat to Microsoft
  103. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Viao is almost fixed
  104. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LDAP/Perl Expert-NJ Consulting Firm, United States, NJ, Bedminster
  105. 2003-10-07 From: "Mark S. Gold" <MARK-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  106. 2003-10-07 From: "Mark S. Gold" <MARK-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  107. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Developes Summit Scheduled for November 22-24, 2003
  108. 2003-10-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] The Network Computer: An opportunity for Linux
  109. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  110. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Pasha - I need your help with the GNOME Website
  111. 2003-10-07 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  112. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  113. 2003-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  114. 2003-10-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] DistroWatch Weekly, Issues 17 & 18 29 Sept 2003 & 06 Oct 2003
  115. 2003-10-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moving Stuff from my house
  116. 2003-10-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Connecting a Printer to a VT100 Terminal
  117. 2003-10-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Educational Meetinng
  118. 2003-10-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] EFF report on the DMCA
  119. 2003-10-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] C Intro
  120. 2003-10-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] C Intro
  121. 2003-10-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] BTW Tech Night
  122. 2003-10-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite Moves to Saturday Night
  123. 2003-10-03 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DRM is Theft - One step closer
  124. 2003-10-03 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The IRS, RIAA, Time-Warner Cable, and the DMCA
  125. 2003-10-03 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FYI
  126. 2003-10-03 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] evolution and archiving
  127. 2003-10-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Different 5 Boro Lugs
  128. 2003-10-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Different 5 Boro Lugs
  129. 2003-10-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Next Education Committee Meeting?
  130. 2003-10-03 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] PERL/DBI/UNIX/APACHE DEVELOPER (onsite), United States, nj, W.Paterson [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  131. 2003-10-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] The Great Package Management Experiment
  132. 2003-10-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] The Great Package Management Experiment
  133. 2003-10-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] The Great Package Management Experiment
  134. 2003-10-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] The Great Package Management Experiment
  135. 2003-10-03 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce]
  136. 2003-10-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Laptop Hard Drive replacements
  137. 2003-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Laptop Hard Drive replacements
  138. 2003-10-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Laptop Hard Drive replacements
  139. 2003-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylug-talk] Microsoft for Partners: Sales Training - Competingwith Linux
  140. 2003-10-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Laptop Hard Drive replacements
  141. 2003-10-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware Linux 9.1 has been released
  142. 2003-10-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Merrill to Sun: 'Cut and Focus' or Be Acquired
  143. 2003-10-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Merrill to Sun: 'Cut and Focus' or Be Acquired
  144. 2003-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  145. 2003-10-02 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  146. 2003-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  147. 2003-10-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] ESR: After Sun Goes Out
  148. 2003-10-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] ESR: After Sun Goes Out
  149. 2003-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] Website designers & database programmers needed for new wireless initiative
  150. 2003-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Marcelrf-at-bellsouth.net: [nycwireless] Bush administration supports spectrum for unlicensed devices]
  151. 2003-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] evolution and archiving
  152. 2003-10-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] evolution and archiving
  153. 2003-10-02 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] evolution and archiving
  154. 2003-10-02 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  155. 2003-10-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Taiwan gov't offers software code
  156. 2003-10-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] ESR: After Sun Goes Out
  157. 2003-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [dennis.bieling-at-epigenomics.com: Re: [Users] key creation]
  158. 2003-10-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Fedora and Red Hat to Merge
  159. 2003-10-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Foot in the Door for Open Source?
  160. 2003-10-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSE Rolls Out 64-bit Linux For PCs
  161. 2003-10-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] The Linux Cat in SuSE's Hat
  162. 2003-10-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Free Software Chamber of Commerce Meeting - Wednesday, Oct
  163. 2003-10-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout]
  164. 2003-10-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYPC October General Meeting - Open Source: Beyond Linux
  165. 2003-10-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting - Wed October 08, 2003
  166. 2003-10-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Important information about Trustix
  167. 2003-10-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Fedora and Red Hat to Merge
  168. 2003-10-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SUSE Gets New Name, Logo Prior to New Product Release
  169. 2003-10-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] UN Summit Tones Down Open-Source Stance
  170. 2003-10-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Business which needs attention:
  171. 2003-10-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Patents and the Telephone
  172. 2003-10-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spammers using Digital Signatures
  173. 2003-10-13 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  174. 2003-10-13 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] (fwd) [tech-geeks] Microsoft VP admits openoffice as good as MS Office 97
  175. 2003-10-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) [tech-geeks] Microsoft VP admits openoffice as good as MS Office 97
  176. 2003-10-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Firm drops suit against grad's CD hack
  177. 2003-10-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [vlain-at-libero.it: Re: [Users] Article introducing VPN]
  178. 2003-10-16 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] NYC Transit
  179. 2003-10-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Inspector General for the DMCA.
  180. 2003-10-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Inspector General for the DMCA.
  181. 2003-10-15 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Logo
  182. 2003-10-15 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com RE: [hangout] NYLXS Logo
  183. 2003-10-15 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Logo
  184. 2003-10-15 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Gnome Flyer
  185. 2003-10-15 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Shark Tank - Open Source (The Hard Way)
  186. 2003-10-15 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Logo
  187. 2003-10-15 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Gnome Flyer
  188. 2003-10-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Gnome Flyer
  189. 2003-10-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <michael.l.richardson-at-verizon.net> Subject: [hangout] gnome flyers
  190. 2003-10-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: why is gtk install so difficult?
  191. 2003-10-14 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Israel Slams the door on MS
  192. 2003-10-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] SysV
  193. 2003-10-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SysV
  194. 2003-10-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  195. 2003-10-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Business which needs attention:
  196. 2003-10-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Board meeting
  197. 2003-10-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Muscle
  198. 2003-10-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME REGISTRATION :wq Embperl Error
  199. 2003-10-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Gnome Registration Page
  200. 2003-10-17 Phil Gengler <phil-at-codeallday.com> Re: [hangout] NYC Transit
  201. 2003-10-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [SYates-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu: RE: GNOMES Meeting]
  202. 2003-10-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Senior mod_perl Developer (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  203. 2003-10-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl / Mason / DBI - Software Engineer (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  204. 2003-10-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Announcement (fwd)
  205. 2003-10-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [miguel-at-ximian.com: Summit registration problem]
  206. 2003-10-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Drug Recall - No Joke
  207. 2003-10-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Shark Tank - Open Source (The Hard Way)
  208. 2003-10-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Arch Linux: A Better Distribution
  209. 2003-10-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Style: View from the Trenches: Alternative Package Sources
  210. 2003-10-19 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] suse network configuration
  211. 2003-10-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] suse network configuration
  212. 2003-10-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] suse network configuration
  213. 2003-10-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] suse network configuration
  214. 2003-10-20 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] suse network configuration
  215. 2003-10-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: Got your voicemail ...]
  216. 2003-10-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Got your voicemail ...
  217. 2003-10-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] BOARD MEETING TONIGHT
  218. 2003-10-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: why is gtk install so difficult?
  219. 2003-10-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In other events this week
  220. 2003-10-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More other events this week
  221. 2003-10-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] And Yet More other events this week
  222. 2003-10-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [SYates-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu: RE: GNOMES Meeting]
  223. 2003-10-21 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] Kings Games Help
  224. 2003-10-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Kings Games Help
  225. 2003-10-21 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] GNOME Summit 2003
  226. 2003-10-21 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com RE: [hangout] Kings Games Help
  227. 2003-10-21 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] GNOME Summit 2003 - Whitehead building or Library
  228. 2003-10-21 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Kings Games Help
  229. 2003-10-21 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com RE: [hangout] Kings Games Help
  230. 2003-10-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Summit 2003 - Whitehead building or Library
  231. 2003-10-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: why is gtk install so difficult?
  232. 2003-10-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] City Council Meeting
  233. 2003-10-22 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Re: GNOME Summit 2003 - Whitehead building or Library
  234. 2003-10-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: GNOME Summit 2003 - Whitehead building or Library
  235. 2003-10-22 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Re: GNOME Summit 2003 - Whitehead building or Library
  236. 2003-10-22 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: LinuxWorld New York 2004 .org Pavilion
  237. 2003-10-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Summit
  238. 2003-10-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer for Web Applications (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  239. 2003-10-22 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] Fw: LinuxWorld New York 2004 .org Pavilion
  240. 2003-10-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: GNOME Summit 2003 - Whitehead building or Library
  241. 2003-10-23 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: LinuxWorld New York 2004 .org Pavilion
  242. 2003-10-23 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] Reminder-Bookcase Delivery
  243. 2003-10-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Reminder-Bookcase Delivery
  244. 2003-10-23 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Re: GNOME Summit 2003 - Whitehead building or Library
  245. 2003-10-23 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com RE: [hangout] Reminder-Bookcase Delivery
  246. 2003-10-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: GNOME Summit 2003 - Whitehead building or Library
  247. 2003-10-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: LinuxWorld New York 2004 .org Pavilion
  248. 2003-10-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: GNOME Summit 2003 - Whitehead building or Library
  249. 2003-10-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FTAA draft is worse than we expected
  250. 2003-10-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: linux in NYC schools
  251. 2003-10-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [geoff-at-modperlcookbook.org: Re: [MEETING][TECHNICAL] Geoff Young on mod_perl]
  252. 2003-10-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Summary
  253. 2003-10-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Book Cases Arrived - Need to be built - perhaps tonight
  254. 2003-10-23 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Book Cases Arrived - Need to be built - perhaps tonight
  255. 2003-10-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FUD from Forbes
  256. 2003-10-23 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite Saturday.
  257. 2003-10-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS possibilities
  258. 2003-10-23 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] CGI file Upload Question
  259. 2003-10-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CGI file Upload Question
  260. 2003-10-23 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Technite Saturday.
  261. 2003-10-23 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS PHONE
  262. 2003-10-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS PHONE
  263. 2003-10-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ten-at-gnome.org: Re: GNOME Summit]
  264. 2003-10-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] [ten-at-gnome.org: Re: GNOME Summit]
  265. 2003-10-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Summit
  266. 2003-10-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] For Mr Villari
  267. 2003-10-24 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] CGI file Upload Question
  268. 2003-10-24 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] Bookcases
  269. 2003-10-24 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Bookcases
  270. 2003-10-24 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Places to go for the Gnome conference.
  271. 2003-10-24 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bookcases
  272. 2003-10-24 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Bookcases
  273. 2003-10-24 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bookcases
  274. 2003-10-24 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Three birds with one stone killed.
  275. 2003-10-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Three birds with one stone killed.
  276. 2003-10-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Where the hell are my house keys
  277. 2003-10-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Three birds with one stone killed.
  278. 2003-10-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [license-violation-at-fsf.org: Re: [gnu.org #122161] [EInker-at-gam.com: RE: [hangout] FUD from Forbes]]
  279. 2003-10-24 Leslie Proctor <proctors-at-pacbell.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Summit
  280. 2003-10-24 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Three birds with one stone killed.
  281. 2003-10-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Tech NIte Saturday Night]
  282. 2003-10-25 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Tech NIte Saturday Night]
  283. 2003-10-25 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] CGI file Upload Question
  284. 2003-10-25 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Tech NIte Saturday Night]
  285. 2003-10-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tomorrow
  286. 2003-10-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I've had it with Linux
  287. 2003-10-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IT jobs with Eckerds
  288. 2003-10-26 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I've had it with Linux
  289. 2003-10-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mandrake 9.2 may kill LG CD-ROM drives
  290. 2003-10-27 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Mandrake 9.2 may kill LG CD-ROM drives
  291. 2003-10-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] [geoff-at-modperlcookbook.org: Re: [MEETING][TECHNICAL] Geoff Young on mod_perl]
  292. 2003-10-27 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: 10 cents a minute
  293. 2003-10-27 From: "michael howard" <h00man1-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] sunday technites ?
  294. 2003-10-27 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Mandrake 9.2 may kill LG CD-ROM drives
  295. 2003-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: www.nylxs.com unreachable from Spain
  296. 2003-10-28 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Re: www.nylxs.com unreachable from Spain
  297. 2003-10-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: www.nylxs.com unreachable from Spain
  298. 2003-10-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] SCO Declares Total War on the GPL -- Says GPL Is No t Enforceable
  299. 2003-10-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] They just don't get it
  300. 2003-10-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl, Oracle, html/css (onsite), United States, MA / CT, Natick / New London]
  301. 2003-10-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open source riles software makers
  302. 2003-10-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bank tomorrow
  303. 2003-10-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  304. 2003-10-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Planning Meeting
  305. 2003-10-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Review: SUSE 9 Professional October 2003
  306. 2003-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Shark Tank - Open Source (The Hard Way)
  307. 2003-10-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] DVD in SUJSE
  308. 2003-10-30 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: LinuxWorld registration now open - register today!] (fwd)
  309. 2003-10-31 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [thomas-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: thttpd (SuSE-SA:2003:044)]
  310. 2003-10-31 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA-Activists] Boucher: Exemptions Decision 'Misguided'
  311. 2003-10-31 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] My Viao is up and running completely - Horay
  312. 2003-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Viao is up and running completely - Horay
  313. 2003-10-31 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] My Viao is up and running completely - Horay
  314. 2003-10-31 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] xfmail
  315. 2003-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Come Visit Tomorrow
  316. 2003-10-23 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] Technite Saturday.
  317. 2003-10-23 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-jaal.org> FWD: [hangout] Re: opportunity
  318. 2003-10-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA-Activists] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Fwd: IT: DMCA Exemption for censorware renewed!
  319. 2003-10-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] All the President's votes? (fwd)
  320. 2003-10-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] Prosecutors Admit Error in Security Whisteblower
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