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| DATE | 2003-08-30 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] DRM is Theft
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> >
> > That most people don't run Free Operating Systems and future hardware
> > devices, like my tevivion capature card, or my soundcard, or my
> > CDROM, won't work without the signed binaries of the future.
>
> Proof?
>
Proof? OK - In the latest Linux Journal in the diff -u column by Zack Brown:
Linus Tovalds has made this very clear: He will accept patches supporting
Digital Rights Management (DRM)....and by adopting theminto the kernel, Linus
may be creating a foothold to prevent the eventual criminalization of Free
Software.
Want more proof?
Jack Valenti and the DRM hearing in Washington held by the Department of
Commerce:
If this body and the IT industry can't come up with a means, whatever it is,
and thats up to you, not me, I don't understnad these devices nor care how
it is done, then we'll just get Congress to do it to protect the theft of
our property.
Do you want more proof, I can find more if you desire it.
Of course, when that time comes, people here and other places, caring only
about their own needs and with complete disregard for the consequeses on the
public, will line up, just as they are now, talking about how nifty that
locking down these privately owned systems are from the keyboard to the
standard output device.
> > You mean like the one EVERY gnu/linux distribution has?
>
> Ok, if I get my hands on your machine, with it's encrypted filesystem,
> and replace the bootlaoder with a trojaned copy that gives me the
> password to your encrypted file system, what is the mechanism that
> prevents this from working, that every installation has solved.
>
Ummm - like getting past my encrypted password for the file system?
And this is a justifiable reason, in your opinion, to sattle every
privately owned digital communication device with spyware infrastructure?
>
> How do they do that?
>
Read you comments. You point out that some signed binary datafiles will be
beyound the access of the owner of the computer.
You need to take GNU/Linux One from the Free Software Institute.
Because we teach that ALL files in Unix are just files. So this
proposition has a CPU or equiptment which refuses to take instructions
from the computers operator to run ANYTHING not permited. It also, as it
goes, will not allow for any unauthorized instruction to the signed binaries.
This is a SECURITY HOLE...by your own admition.
> > Welcome in Trojan bootloaders.... right or wrong. Which is it.
>
> But the clear requires that the SRK which would contain the key to the
> encrypted filesystem be cleared, which would then render the file
> systtem inacessable, and prevent this from being used as a method to
> steal my data. The trojan bootlaoder is defeated.
And so is installing Linux on a preinstalled Microsoft system.
As I said, which is it?
>
> But this is a legal, rather than technical problem.
Yes - the WHOLE THING should be illegal.
>
> It is designed to separate the protection of data from physical
> access.
Everything WITHOUT EXECPTION on a computer is Data.
> There is no mechanism whatsoever in the specification to
> prevent access to hardware,
Nonsense. Now your being wrong on the technology. Every device in the system
will have Padium style DRM built into it. Do you think I'm going to be able
too hook up a standard DVD player to my tevivision caputer card and record.
I can't even do that now between to VCRs.
> > Viewing a DVD on a Free System today is a felony.
>
> That's bad law.
It is the LAW. Don't ignor it in the thread because it's inconvienvent to
your arguement.
> Well, actually, you're allowed to record your own phone conversations
> without a warrant, though you do need to inform the other party.
Actually, that's not 100% true as yiou just pointed out. You can not even
put recording devices on the phone system unless they beep continually.
And so on...
> > And anyone who needs such technology should be licensed and have a
> > throgough background check because this technology overwhelming
> > dangerous to the publics well-being. It needs to be highly
> > regulated, restricted in it's access, and never a default option for
> > being installed in devices used and owned by the general public.
>
> Should encryption technology be similarly regulated because it is used
> in CSS?
>
No - encryption tehcnology should not be made illegal but the CSS application
should be because it is installed without prior authorization on every DVD
player in world.
>
> I meant some set of people arguing on your side have made those
> claims, or ones similar to them.
I understand that, but I can not emphasis ENOUGH that NYLXS and NY Fair Use,
the original one, which is now the New York Association of Copy Right
Stake Holders, is an organization which is responsible and careful about its
direction.
Without a doubt, exteam statements without quoting the political, social,
and technological trends to support statements is harmful and largely
responsible for the dire situation the American public now faces because of
Digital Rights Managment.
>
> > However, it's short term affect is to end the competitive advantages of
> > Free Software in the market and to render the OS useless to the public.
>
> Personally, I doubt that. And if it does happen, it will be because
> of really stupid laws trying to shore up stupid uses of useful
> technology. Fight the stupid laws, not the useful technology.
>
> > The long term affect, perhaps in 5 - 10 years, is to then end the ability to
> > use a Free OS. These things are done in steps.
>
> I doubt this as well.
Prove it. At which time did any part of any restrictive technology or legal
construction when operated without regulation EVER not be used to the full
extent of its technological feasability without being restricted directly by
the law.
This wasn't true for the Railroads, Standard Oil, US Steal, IBM, Microsoft
AT&T, the Movie Studio's, Pubilshing, Cable television, The Mining business,
the Automobile Industry, the Banking Industry, Sweat Shops, up until today
with Enron and WorldCom.
But if you have doubts, by all means, let it fly.
It's time for some people to get their heads out their technical manuals
and read something really useful like Samual Elliot Morrisons, "The History
of the American Republic".
Ruben
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