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| DATE | 2003-08-12 |
| FROM | Ruben I Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
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The problem with the first reply is the naivity to think that
laws a systems can't be produced to make relaible end end to end tethering.
This is dangerously wrong. If they even used publically available cryptography
with DMCA and legaly enforced devices, BANG - no more copying or unauthorized
access.
Ruben
On 2003.08.12 22:32 Steve Milo wrote:
> Here's an interesting reply to my post.
>
> http://nmlug.org/pipermail/nmlug/2003-August/007584.html
>
> I've had more favorable and clearer replies than that
>
> http://nmlug.org/pipermail/nmlug/2003-August/date.html
>
> Steve M
>
>
> On Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003, at 20:20 America/Denver, Ruben I Safir wrote:
>
> > It would be more fun to respond to the rsponses :)
> >
> > Ruben
> >
> > On 2003.08.12 20:24 Steve Milo wrote:
> >>
> >> I recently responded to a topic about copying music on the New Mexico
> >> Linux Users Group.
> >>
> >> Anyone care to comment on what I sent?
> >> Let me know if I've lost my marbles, am right on the money or
> >> somewhere
> >> in between.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Steve M
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:20:42 -0400 (EDT)
> >>> From: Steve Milo
> >>> Reply-To: nmlug-at-nmlug.org
> >>> To: nmlug-at-nmlug.org
> >>> Subject: [NMLUG] OT Law.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hello all, I was hoping I could have introduced myself under better
> >>> cirucmstances but I have strong beliefs on this topic.
> >>>
> >>> There some fundamental flaws with how the DMCA is currently
> >>> structured.
> >>>
> >>> I will give a shining example.
> >>>
> >>> I know a Unix system admin who had resigned from NYU because NYU's
> >>> dental
> >>> school has decided to employ 'ebooks' instead of regular text books.
> >>>
> >>> The students are forced to pay a yearly fee *every* year if they
> >>> want
> >>> to
> >>> keep their text books. That is, a yearly fee forever. Also the
> >>> students
> >>> are restricted from sharing their 'ebooks' with other students.
> >>> The DMCA protects this company with the current copyright laws, all
> >>> this
> >>> company does is transfer regular text books to an electronic form.
> >>> In
> >>> this case a cdrom. So in essence this is one copyright law
> >>> protecting
> >>> yet another copyright law, one layer ontop of another.
> >>>
> >>> The basic premise of a free society is the free exchange of
> >>> information,
> >>> how do you think our beloved operating system has managed to mature
> >>> to
> >>> the
> >>> level it has today? How do you think our country as a whole has
> >>> managed
> >>> to advance so quickly in just two hundred years? The citizens werent
> >>> extorted into paying for every last bit of gaining knowledge.
> >>> Why is it that religion makes such inroads in our culture? Go to
> >>> just about any hotel and you will find a bible in the table next to
> >>> the
> >>> bed. You can read it without paying a licensning fee.
> >>>
> >>> Yes artists should be paid for their efforts (personally I think they
> >>> should put out something worth paying for first), however that
> >>> protection
> >>> should be like the contsitution intended. In limited scope and time,
> >>> they were well aware back then how important information sharing is.
> >>>
> >>> The milk man argument can be used in the case of our public
> >>> libraries.
> >>> If we go into a public library we are taking away the ability for
> >>> publishers to earn a living....or are we? If I were to find a book I
> >>> truly enjoyed I would most likely go out and buy a copy for myself.
> >>> I personally dont go to public libraires anymore because sadly it has
> >>> become hard to find anything worth reading.
> >>>
> >>> Music sharing.
> >>> I know for a fact that if someone where to share a song
> >>> that they enjoyed with me and I liked it I would go out and buy an
> >>> original copy. I have done it before. No! I am *not* taking away an
> >>> income source from anyone in that food chain. I resent being
> >>> blackmailed
> >>> into buying something without trying it first. I go to a jean
> >>> store, I
> >>> try the jeans on before I buy. Lets say a friend of mine has a pair
> >>> of
> >>> jeans he doesnt need. My friend gives them to me, I dont have to
> >>> pay a
> >>> relicensing fee for ownership transfer. I dont pay a relicesing fee
> >>> for
> >>> borrowing that pair of jeans.
> >>>
> >>> Milk is a poor example because it is something that can be consumed.
> >>> Gasonline can be consumed. We pay for the product, if we let someone
> >>> borrow our car they dont have to pay a licensing fee for the
> >>> gasonline
> >>> they use.
> >>>
> >>> No, I have a problem with the way our current copyright law are
> >>> structured. Information is *not* a chicken and the egg dilemna.
> >>> Information comes from a person defining an abstraction.
> >>>
> >>> Our current copyright laws protect only big corporations who have
> >>> a vested interest in monopolizing that.
> >>> Perhaps the federal goverment should implement a beurau that will
> >>> license
> >>> every citizen for the priveledge of using the english language.
> >>> After all how is any of this information being define? Not through
> >>> smoke signals.
> >>>
> >>> Lasly, let me introduce myself properly.
> >>> My name is Steve Milovidov, I'm from Brooklyn NY and I have been in
> >>> Belen
> >>> for about 8 months. I was employed as a perl/shell script writer
> >>> programmer on Wall Street in NYC. I was laid off in December and
> >>> decided
> >>> to come here to stay with my mom for a while. I feel strongly about
> >>> Open Source Software because our industry is being used as a
> >>> political
> >>> tool. I'm looking for work in the Linux field.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for listening to my rant,
> >>> Steve M
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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