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Small Business Dilemma: Open Source or Proprietary Software? By Alex Chejlyk - Posted on 2003-07-23 18:25:31 at OSNews [http://www.osnews.com/] Small business owners now have a software choice. Just a few years ago the only business choice was to either run legitimate or pirated versions of proprietary software. Open source is now in a position to challenge proprietary software on the business and home desktop. Intro, Servers Editorial Notice: All opinions are those of the author and not necessarily those of osnews.com If you are looking at operating costs, open source offers the least expensive computing environment for small business. While the quality of open source software varies from excellent to pre-alpha, the same can be said of proprietary software. Just take a look at some of the bargain bins at the local office superstore if you think all proprietary software is slick and polished. Care must be taken when choosing any software package. Less than two years ago we evaluated our software needs and the cost of upgrading our OS licenses. We wanted to become fully legal and up to date with our software licensing. The desktop software licenses were going to cost approximately $1000.00 each, that was $8000.00 total in desktop software licensing. The servers were going to cost us approximately $4235.00 in software licensing, as we were going to upgrade to MS Windows 2000 Server and Exchange 2000 Server. This $12,235.00 figure was extremely high for our shop. We'd also have less available software, because we were not going to purchase software that wasn't absolutely necessary. This is when we looked into using open source. Open source software provided all the tools we needed for less than $100.00, total. Re-training cost was all we had to pay for, that payment would be in the form of time. When the estimated cost of retraining was compared to proprietary software's licensing fee's, we made the decision to migrate to opensource. A major migration concern was the ability of open source software to read and write in proprietary formats. It seemed that everyone was sending Microsoft Word formatted documents and Microsoft Excel formatted spreadsheets. Our primary concern was Microsoft Office compatibility. Luckily, the amazing open source software developers have made great strides in the compatibility area. The Servers. Servers were the easiest switch. We were running a Windows 2000 file and print server. The Windows 2000 server was a decent performer. I rebooted it after every patch and at least every month for best performance. It became infected (we used Norton AV) with only two viruses after a year of service. The fear of losing it to a virus was always in the back of my mind. As a replacement we reviewed two open source operating systems, Linux and FreeBSD. Linux and FreeBSD are powerful, ultra stable operating systems that perform the tasks of a (NFS) file server natively. We chose Mandrake Linux as the file server. The Samba server software package was run to allow interoperability with our MS Windows desktops. Mandrake also comes with CUPS, a modern printing system for Unix/Linux environments. The printers were shared via Samba to the MS Windows clients. Mandrake Linux solved the file and print server switch. Stability is incredible. I have the Mandrake server download and install its patches, automatically, every evening. I haven't been forced to reboot for stability reasons since this machine was put into service. I do power down during thunderstorms, and reboot when I apply a Kernel patch. No viruses have shown up on it. We currently use Sophos AV, just in case. We had a MS Windows NT 4.0 server running MS Exchange 5.5. This system was running, but was erratic. Sometimes it ran like a champ for two months then slow to a crawl in one day. The MTA would also die unexpectedly. The system logs didn't indicate why this was happening, the MTA would just stop. A reboot and it would run great again. This was annoying, but I could live with it. Backing up the data stores wasn't easy on that machine, either. The box was compromised once and used as an open relay thanks to a Trojan that got in and opened it up to spammers (my fault the AV was disabled for a service pack reinstall). When I think about it, I hated that box! Switching the MS Exchange system was a challenge. At the time, I couldn't find any single free open source software that would perform all of Microsoft's Exchange functions. We eventually chose Postfix as the email replacement and OpenLDAP as the shared address book directory (very difficult to setup). The calendar sharing was never really an issue because we never shared our calendars, but WebDAV could be used to share calendar data. OpenLDAP was confusing to configure, but after at least 100 pages of how-to's I got it running. Postfix was a breeze. I've never had to fiddle with either of these since the install. The patches are automatically applied, if they require a service restart, I do so at my convenience. Stability is exceptional. It is difficult to convey the difference in maintenance time. I spent at least 2 to 4 hours a week doing something on the MS Windows servers. The Linux servers don't even have monitors on them! I check in on them via ssh about once a month, but so far they are as dependable as a brick. I spent at least 5 hours on OpenLDAP, 4 hours playing with Samba and 2 hours learning Postfix basics. This is one of those hidden cost things about open source. On the other hand, Exchange 2000 is totally different from Exchange 5.5 so that would take at least 5 hours to learn enough about it to safely deploy it for our organization. I spent countless hours fiddling with Windows 2000 server in the past, so it is hard to say how much I spent learning it, a safe figure would be 10 hours before I was ready to deploy it. These figures may be low, but I knew NT 3.5 through 4.0 and Exchange 4.0 through 5.5. Desktop, Conclusion The Desktop The desktop switch was easier than I thought it would be. I was running a dual boot MS Windows 98/2000 station. Stability was OK with my MS Windows desktop, but it was shut down almost every evening. I'd also reload all software every three months or so (Norton Ghost made that easy). Viruses were the biggest headache. I eventually ran into a snag with a piece of hardware and that is when I loaded Mandrake Linux. The Mandrake Linux distribution came with KDE as its default GUI desktop. I liked it right away, although the fonts were functional, they weren't nearly as nice as Microsoft's. Later Linux distributions included better fonts, I've upgraded my Mandrake desktop to the latest version 9.1, and the fonts are beautiful. Although the KDE desktop is similar in function to a MS Windows desktop, there are many differences. There is no networking icon on the desktop and there isn't a my computer icon. Instead you have all the removable drives on the desktop and a home icon. You also have different icons in the menu bar, but all of this is totally customizable. If you want, you can mimic the MS Windows desktop look and feel very easily. There is one feature that MS Windows does not have, it is the virtual desktop. This essentially increases the desktop user space by a magnitude of four, and this number can be increased to sixteen. It is similar to having a multi-head display, except you switch displays with your hands not your eyes. We chose Sun's StarOffice as my Microsoft Office replacement. StarOffice did a very good job with MS Documents and Excel spreadsheets. It had all the functions we used. The StarOffice suite interface is very similar to Microsoft's Office suite interface. The learning curve is minimal. I'd venture to say that the average user would need about 2 hours training to get up to speed with StarOffice. A power user may need more time, but a minimalist user would need less. Retraining time for the office suite cost my company approximately $40.00 per employee. A total of $280.00 in retraining costs for the most used software in my company. We've switched to OpenOffice.org now instead of Sun's StarOffice as they are basically the same package, with Sun's version having a proprietary database and assorted templates. Either of these packages work very well when dealing with a Microsoft Word or Excel file formats. PDF documents are handled by Xpdf, GhostScript or Adobe's Acrobat Reader v5. For image manipulation, We use the Gimp or ImageMagick. I only do basic image manipulation, the Gimp is overkill for most of my uses. When I ran MS Windows, Photoshop was also more powerful than I needed, but the MS Image program was not powerful enough. Learning the interface basics, 1 hour. Scanning is handled by XSane. XSane is excellent and uses a standard interface for all scanners as compared to the myriad of different interfaces that are written for the MS Windows environment. Learning the interface basics, 1 hour. The Internet browsers that come bundled with Mandrake are Konqueror, Mozilla, Galeon, Opera Links(text) and Lynx(text). I mainly use Konqueror and Mozilla, although I do use Links now and then. Learning the interface basics, 5 minutes. Mr Project takes care of project management, it is not compatible with MS Project but it is similar in design and performance. Learning the interface basics, 1 hour. Flowcharting is handled by Kivio or Dia, both offer similar functionality to MS Visio but not compatible with the MS file format. Learning the interface basics, 1 hour. I use the bundled KDE PIM functions, calendar (Korganizer), address book (Kaddress), email client (KMail) and replaced my paper sticky notes with Knote. If you like MS Outlook try Ximian's Evolution. Learning the interface basics, 30 minutes. Open source instant messaging is way ahead. I use GAIM, it works with AOL, Yahoo, MSN, Jabber and several others. One client, many services. Learning the interface basics, 5 minutes. Desktop publishing is handled by Scribus. Scribus v1.0 just came out and it is very good. This easily replaces MS Publisher, but is not compatible with the file format. Scribus isn't yet up to the same tasks as Quark Express, but it is an excellent package. I'm sure as it progresses it will offer everything all the "top" proprietary packages do. Learning the interface basics, 1 hour. The Konqueror file manager is similar in function to MS Explorer. I prefer the functionality in Konqueror a bit more than MS Explorer, but this is totally user preference. Learning the interface basics, 5 minutes. The reason I used learning the interface basics instead of retraining time is because every user has a different proficiency level at certain software packages. I believe being able to use the package for what it was meant for is all that is needed for retraining time. Others may argue that a user must know how to use all the tools of the package in order to be considered proficient. I am only worried about productivity. All following prices are in US dollars. Proprietary Total Desktop Proprietary Software Costs: $1000.00 Total Server Proprietary Software Cost: $4237.00 Desktop Software Microsoft Windows 2000/XP: $200.00 Microsoft Office SBE: $200.00 Microsoft Project: $250.00 Microsoft Visio: $100.00 Photoshop: $450.00 AOL Instant Messenger: Free Internet Explorer: Included with OS Server Software Windows 200x File and Print Server (10 user): $1199.00 Windows 200x Server & MS Exchange Server 2000 (10 user): $3038.00 Open Source Total Desktop and Server Open Source Software Costs: $69.00 Desktop Software Mandrake Linux Distribution (Includes everything below): $69.00 OpenOffice.org (Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw) Mr. Project KDE Kivio The Gimp Evolution (outlook clone) GAIM Konqueror Server Software Mandrake Linux with Samba & CUPS(Unlimited Users) OpenLDAP, PostFix & WebDAV Our Accounting tasks are handled by Appgen's "My Books", a proprietary software package. It works with Microsoft Windows, Linux, Unix, and Macintosh. I use the $99.00 package which is comparable to Intuit's Quickbooks. Appgen is much more stable, and has amazing network performance. There are literally thousands of packages in the Mandrake distribution. I've only listed a few. You can download Mandrake and most other distributions for free. For $70.00 you get a box, book and disc. RedHat offers a similar distribution for less than $100.00. SuSE also offers the same type of software at a comparable price. There are dozens of Linux distributions. If you want support, these companies offer it depending upon the package you purchase. When using any *nix environment the resistance to viral threats is currently exceptional. I say currently, because who knows what virus writers can come up with in the future. The whole model of *nix is more secure than the current Microsoft Windows model. Unix/Linux, by default won't allow a user to enter vital system files, this is one of the reasons why viruses don't have the same effect in the *nix environment. MS Windows can be made secure to a point, but it was designed with users (and unfortunately viruses) having full access to the system files. Viruses have an easy time getting to the MS registry and corrupting the system. Conclusion If you are starting a business or already own a small business I suggest giving open source a try. The cost savings are incredible. Stability is exceptional. Compatibility is very good. You may choose to stay with the Microsoft Windows operating system, yet still save thousands by using open source software for the office suite, servers and image manipulation. If you choose to change the operating system to Linux or FreeBSD you will have increased stability, lower maintenance costs and excellent virus resistance. The choice is ultimately yours, now that there is a choice! About the Author: My name is Alex Chejlyk. I own and operate a small business (10 years) that performs IT tasks for other small businesses in the area. I've been computing since the early 80's. I started out with CPM then to DOS, LANtastic, Windows 2.x, Apple, OS2, Windows 3.x, Be, Windows NT/9x/2K/Xp, Unix, and Linux. Original Story URL at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=4108 ) **************************************************************************** This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. 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NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night Idea's 2003-07-31 Bob Butcher <rwbutcher-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night Idea's 2003-07-31 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Tech Night Idea's 2003-07-31 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night Idea's 2003-07-31 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops 2003-07-30 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops 2003-07-30 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Tech Night Idea's 2003-07-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night Idea's 2003-07-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops 2003-07-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Judge orders Interior to shut off Internet connections 2003-07-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops 2003-07-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops 2003-07-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Rogue Linux Installs on the Rise 2003-07-30 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops 2003-07-30 Phil Gengler <phil-at-codeallday.com> Subject: [hangout] Successful Windows refund in CA 2003-07-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Rogue Linux Installs on the Rise 2003-07-30 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops 2003-07-30 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops 2003-07-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Revolution OS Movie 2003-07-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Resignation - NYLXS Board & 1st Vice President 2003-07-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need help and can reciprocate (fwd) 2003-07-29 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Need help and can reciprocate (fwd) 2003-07-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYACSH Meeting Tomorrow 2003-07-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OT: Non-Linux Job Requirement 2003-07-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYACSH Meeting Tomorrow 2003-07-29 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYACSH Meeting Tomorrow 2003-07-29 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] OT: Non-Linux Job Requirement 2003-07-29 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYACSH Meeting Tomorrow 2003-07-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYACSH Meeting Tomorrow 2003-07-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] DVD to VCD in Linux 2003-07-29 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYACSH Meeting Tomorrow 2003-07-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Revolution OS Movie 2003-07-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Bus ride 2003-07-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYACSH Meeting Tomorrow 2003-07-29 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYACSH Meeting Tomorrow 2003-07-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYACSH Meeting Tomorrow 2003-07-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Paul Robert Marino 2003-07-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Membership Handbook Update 2003-07-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Owner of Stolen 'Sex.com' Can Sue VeriSign-Court 2003-07-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show Tomorrow Night 2003-07-25 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting disruptions. 2003-07-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting disruptions. 2003-07-25 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] Re: Regular Expression Help 2003-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Is there anyone out there? 2003-07-25 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use meeting at the NYLXS Headquarters 2003-07-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS RADIO SHOW 2003-07-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night Sunday Night 2003-07-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYACSH Meeting Announcement 2003-07-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Regular Expression Help 2003-07-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Regular Expression Help 2003-07-24 Deosaran Bisnath <deobisnath-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Is there anyone out there? 2003-07-24 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Is there anyone out there? 2003-07-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use meeting at the NYLXS Headquarters 2003-07-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [EmperorLinux-Announce] "Meteor" MM10: ultra-portable 2 pound Linux Laptop from EmperorLinux 2003-07-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] City hall shooting 2003-07-23 Deosaran Bisnath <deobisnath-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] City hall shooting 2003-07-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] City hall shooting 2003-07-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] City hall shooting 2003-07-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] City hall shooting 2003-07-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Disruptions again 2003-07-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Disruptions 2003-07-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Education Meeting Preminary report 2003-07-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FSCC Evening meeting Wed July 23, 2203 7:00 PM 2003-07-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Technology 2003-07-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [nylxs-announce] [hangout] Evening FSCC Meeting 2003-07-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Technology 2003-07-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Technology 2003-07-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Technology 2003-07-21 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Technology 2003-07-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Well Marco's gone from the list 2003-07-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] School technology. 2003-07-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCO Escalates Linux Battle 2003-07-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Technology 2003-07-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Technology 2003-07-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] info-at-j2jnetwork.com: J2J Network - Job Postings week of 7/21/03 2003-07-21 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] SCO Escalates Linux Battle 2003-07-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] School Technology 2003-07-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] School Technology 2003-07-21 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments 2003-07-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] IT court cases (video) 2003-07-20 Bruce Ingalls <bingalls-at-fit-zones.com> Re: [hangout] IT Court Cases 2003-07-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments 2003-07-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IT Court Cases 2003-07-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IT Court Cases 2003-07-20 From: "Bruce Ingalls" <bingalls-at-fit-zones.com> RE: [hangout] IT Court Cases 2003-07-20 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments 2003-07-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night Sunday Night 2003-07-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] InService Presentation SAchedule for August 2003-07-20 From: "Bruce Ingalls" <bingalls-at-fit-zones.com> Subject: [hangout] IT Court Cases 2003-07-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IT Court Cases 2003-07-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments 2003-07-20 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments 2003-07-20 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments 2003-07-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Suggestions for a Linux admin book... 2003-07-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: camara 2003-07-18 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] 2 questions 2003-07-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: camara 2003-07-18 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] CMYK plugin for The GIMP 2003-07-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Topic for technite. 2003-07-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: camara 2003-07-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Thanks Everyone for help tonight 2003-07-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars 2003-07-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: #350: D Pipes v. M Khan on "Islam and Democracy" [dplist-at-danielpipes.org] 2003-07-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars 2003-07-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars 2003-07-17 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Installment of Handbook 2003-07-17 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] 2 questions 2003-07-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] We need a 501c3 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars 2003-07-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars 2003-07-17 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] Education committee 2003-07-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] hp's d220 w/ Linux 2003-07-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars 2003-07-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars 2003-07-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars 2003-07-17 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars 2003-07-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Education Meeting Tonight? 2003-07-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: NYLXS inventoryFW: FW: Need Updated Status on NYLXS .... 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl, Pattern Matching and Delete 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Education Meeting Tonight? 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl pattern matching 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: FW: [hangout] Radio Show and Membership Meeting Tonight 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: FW: [hangout] Radio Show and Membership Meeting Tonight 2003-07-17 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: FW: [hangout] Radio Show and Membership Meeting Tonight 2003-07-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: FW: [hangout] Radio Show and Membership Meeting Tonight 2003-07-17 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Perl pattern matching 2003-07-17 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] Education Meeting Tonight? 2003-07-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl pattern matching 2003-07-17 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] Perl, Pattern Matching and Delete 2003-07-17 Bob Butcher <rwbutcher-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Rep 2003-07-17 Bob Butcher <rwbutcher-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Rep 2003-07-17 Bob Butcher <rwbutcher-at-yahoo.com> RE: [hangout] RE: 7 points to consider about the Update on Handbo ok 2003-07-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYACSH/NY Fair Use Meeting 2003-07-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show and Membership Meeting Tonight 2003-07-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Education Meeting Tonight? 2003-07-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mv hangout flamewars 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mind Games 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mind Games 2003-07-16 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Mind Games 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting moved :) 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mind Games 2003-07-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] P. Robert 2003-07-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Mind Games 2003-07-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Mind Games 2003-07-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Mind Games 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mind Games 2003-07-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] RE: 7 points to consider about the Update on Handbo ok 2003-07-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: 7 points to consider about the Update on Handbook 2003-07-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: 7 points to consider about the Update on Handbo 2003-07-16 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Mind Games 2003-07-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] 7 points to consider about the Update on Handbook 2003-07-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Mind Games 2003-07-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Mind Games 2003-07-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Update on Handbook 2003-07-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Update on Handbook 2003-07-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Update on Handbook 2003-07-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PHP and MYSQL 2003-07-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] In 1 hour! :: NY Linux Users Group Stammtisch / 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PHP and MYSQL 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PHP and MYSQL 2003-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] In 1 hour! :: NY Linux Users Group Stammtisch / Consultants Dinner 2003-07-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] In 1 hour! :: NY Linux Users Group Stammtisch / 2003-07-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PHP and MYSQL 2003-07-15 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] yay! 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Update on Handbook 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weasles 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PHP and MYSQL 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Rob from the Education Committee 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Attention New Board Members 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Intro video 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Speaking of computers... 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] In 1 hour! :: NY Linux Users Group Stammtisch / Consultants Dinner 2003-07-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] In 1 hour! :: NY Linux Users Group Stammtisch / Consultants Dinner 2003-07-15 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Math.h 2003-07-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Math.h 2003-07-15 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Linux on the desktop 2003-07-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Speaking of computers... 2003-07-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Intro video 2003-07-15 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] busride 2003-07-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] HP: Open Source Here to Stay 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bus Ride 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Intro video 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wal-Mart Adds SuSE-Based PCs As Linux Offerings Grow 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] HP: Open Source Here to Stay 2003-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSE Security Announcement: nfs-utils (SuSE-SA:2003:031) 2003-07-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP: Open Source Here to Stay 2003-07-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wal-Mart Adds SuSE-Based PCs As Linux Offerings Grow 2003-07-14 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Intro video 2003-07-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: education committe 2003-07-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Bus Ride 2003-07-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weasle 2003-07-13 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PHP and MYSQL 2003-07-13 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video editing software for Linux 2003-07-12 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Video editing software for Linux 2003-07-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Video editing software for Linux 2003-07-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Video editing software for Linux 2003-07-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video editing software for Linux 2003-07-12 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Video editing software for Linux 2003-07-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weasles 2003-07-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video editing software for Linux 2003-07-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Sunday technite 2003-07-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Speakign of Committees 2003-07-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: for the record 2003-07-11 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: for the record 2003-07-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: fallback 2003-07-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: for the record 2003-07-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] fallback 2003-07-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: for the record 2003-07-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] website updates(www.nylxs.com) 2003-07-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Previous Minutes for Reference 2003-07-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Old Minutes which need to be reviewed on Bans etc 2003-07-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Minutes - July Meeting 2003-07-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] is Bill Putney out there? 2003-07-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] June Board Meeting Report 2003-07-10 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] NYACC Meeting Notice || 2003-07-10 || mesgno 11772 2003-07-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [learn] Re: [hangout] website updates(www.nylxs.com) 2003-07-10 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] website updates(www.nylxs.com) 2003-07-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] MSLinux release 2003-07-10 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] MSLinux release 2003-07-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] MSLinux release 2003-07-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] NYACC Meeting Notice || 2003-07-10 || mesgno 11772 2003-07-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] NYACC Meeting Notice || 2003-07-10 || mesgno 11772 2003-07-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Two different meetings today... 2003-07-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Today 2003-07-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] is Bill Putney out there? 2003-07-10 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] MSLinux release 2003-07-10 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] MSLinux release 2003-07-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] website updates(www.nylxs.com) 2003-07-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYACC Meeting Notice 2003-07-09 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] website updates(www.nylxs.com) 2003-07-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD Gets Harder to Crack - OpenBSD 3.3 2003-07-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] OpenBSD Gets Harder to Crack - OpenBSD 3.3 2003-07-09 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Subject: [hangout] Mandrake 9.1 --> 100% Free Software distro 2003-07-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] inservice idea 2003-07-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting 2003-07-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] running stuff 2003-07-08 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] inservice idea 2003-07-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz 2003-07-08 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz Pentium 2003-07-08 Brent Fox <bfox-at-redhat.com> Re: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz 2003-07-08 Brent Fox <bfox-at-redhat.com> Re: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz 2003-07-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz 2003-07-08 Brent Fox <bfox-at-redhat.com> Re: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz 2003-07-08 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz Pentium 2003-07-08 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Gnubies this Wednesday July 9th, Sam Hiser on OpenOffice.org 2003-07-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Membership Handbook - 1st Drafts 2003-07-07 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: FW: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting 2003-07-07 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night? 2003-07-07 Michael L Richardson <michael.l.richardson-at-verizon.net> Re: [nylxs-announce] Re: FW: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting 2003-07-07 Bill Putney <bputney-at-the-bomb.com> Re: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting 2003-07-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PXE and tftp 2003-07-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SUSe Remote install 2003-07-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: FW: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting 2003-07-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: FW: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting 2003-07-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night? 2003-07-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: FW: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting 2003-07-07 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-monmouth.com> Subject: [hangout] Emergency Meeting 2003-07-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> FW: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting 2003-07-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night? 2003-07-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux creator an open source Torvalds on SCO suit, Microsoft and his 2003-07-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite - Continues on .... 2003-07-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Journal 2003-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Journal 2003-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Server Migration 2003-07-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SuSe 8.2 2003-07-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SuSe 8.2 2003-07-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Microsoft EULA is "hear say" according to last 2003-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] today's meeting proceeds as usual? 2003-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GRR's Laws of IT/Computers. 2003-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SuSe 8.2 2003-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Microsoft EULA is "hear say" according to last night's Judge 2003-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro 2003-07-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General Emergency Meeting 2003-07-05 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro 2003-07-05 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Software licenses don't work 2003-07-04 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Toshiba petition 2003-07-04 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Independance Day 2003-07-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Tech Nite - Sunday Evening 2003-07-04 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] 4th of July 2003-07-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night? 2003-07-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy 4th of July to All! 2003-07-03 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night? 2003-07-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro 2003-07-02 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro 2003-07-02 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> RE: [hangout] sys admin journal 2003-07-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro 2003-07-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro 2003-07-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] sys admin journal 2003-07-02 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro 2003-07-02 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> RE: [hangout] sys admin journal 2003-07-02 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse 8.2 Pro 2003-07-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse 2003-07-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night? 2003-07-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Hackathon July 06, 2003 "Let the Games Begin..." 2003-07-02 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] linux journal 2003-07-02 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz Pentium 2003-07-02 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] sys admin journal 2003-07-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open source trade clash 2003-07-02 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night? 2003-07-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night? 2003-07-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] letter to Mandrake - edit 1 2003-07-02 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] letter to Mandrake - edit 1 2003-07-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night? 2003-07-02 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] sys admin journal 2003-07-02 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Suse 2003-07-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] MS 'owns' the Web?] (fwd) 2003-07-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] letter to Mandrake - edit 1 2003-07-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Tomorow Night? 2003-07-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the group 2003-07-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Microsoft EULA is "hear say" according to last night's Judge 2003-07-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] letter to Mandrake - edit 1 2003-07-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Please check this before I send it. 2003-07-01 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] linuxiso.org gets a cease and desist letter from Re dHat. 2003-07-01 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] linuxiso.org gets a cease and desist letter from Re dHat. 2003-07-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] the group 2003-07-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Domain transfers 2003-07-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] linuxiso.org gets a cease and desist letter from Re dHat. 2003-07-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Please check this before I send it. 2003-07-01 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Please check this before I send it. 2003-07-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] linuxiso.org gets a cease and desist letter from Re 2003-07-01 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] linuxiso.org gets a cease and desist letter from 2003-07-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] linuxiso.org gets a cease and desist letter from RedHat. 2003-07-01 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Please check this before I send it. 2003-07-31 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops 2003-07-30 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Revolution OS Movie 2003-07-30 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops 2003-07-30 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops 2003-07-30 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Tech Night Idea's 2003-07-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Judge orders Interior to shut off Internet connections 2003-07-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Rogue Linux Installs on the Rise 2003-07-30 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux Laptops 2003-07-29 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Revolution OS Movie 2003-07-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Resignation - NYLXS Board & 1st Vice President 2003-07-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Are your receiving this? 2003-07-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Owner of Stolen 'Sex.com' Can Sue VeriSign-Court 2003-07-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Small Business Dilemma: Open Source or Proprietary Software? 2003-07-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Is there anyone out there? 2003-07-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] 2 questions 2003-07-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] 2 questions 2003-07-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Evening meeting Wed July 23, 2203 7:00 PM 2003-07-22 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] School Technology 2003-07-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Evening FSCC Meeting 2003-07-21 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] School Technology 2003-07-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO Escalates Linux Battle 2003-07-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] linuxiso.org gets a cease and desist letter from RedHat. 2003-07-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft EULA is "hear say" according to last night's Judge 2003-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Owner of Stolen 'Sex.com' Can Sue VeriSign-Court 2003-07-30 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Owner of Stolen 'Sex.com' Can Sue VeriSign-Court 2003-07-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Owner of Stolen 'Sex.com' Can Sue VeriSign-Court 2003-07-29 Bob Butcher <rwbutcher-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Owner of Stolen 'Sex.com' Can Sue VeriSign-Court 2003-07-24 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Subject: [hangout] DoJ Intellectual Property Lawyers answer questions from Slashdot.org 2003-07-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Lula] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz Pentium 2003-07-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Lula] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz Pentium 2003-07-02 Brian Redfern <bredfern-at-calarts.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Lula] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz Pentium 2003-07-03 Brent Fox <bfox-at-redhat.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Lula] HP offers Mandrake Linux 9.1 - Preinstalled 2.4Ghz Pentium NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! 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