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| DATE | 2003-07-20 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
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This is an aproach which will work and allow us to achive our goals.
Our goals, (as outlined in the second section of the handbook) is to
achive specific results in education. We are going to need to work
with members in the current board of education to the degree that
they can help us achive our goals, and distance ourselves from
methodologies which don't help us achive our goals.
As I understand this situation, we have a good chance at pointing
the people involved into a constructive action, and we should indeed
pursue a correct methodology with them, if they let us.
If they don't let us, we have other venues in which we can extend our energy
which can bring us closer to our goals, rather than chasing cars on the highway
with our tail wagging. And we can still help them achive their efforts by allowing
other more qualified organizations work on a PHP specific solution, if they are indeed
exclussively focused on that kind of a solution.
I believe that the conacts in the educational system we are talking about are indeed
prepared to hear our arguments and allow for a constructive engagement with the goal
of educating children properly. I don't see them as rigidity fixed to any formula for
this since they don't have any concreate evidence to make a reliable decision concerning
these issues. We on the other hand, as experts in this field of education with Free Software,
have more evidence and experience, and while it is not as much as I would like to see, it is
probibly more than others have, and is something to build on.
A dispassionate, and balenced study of the causitive activities to higher testing scores,
and greater problem solving and real education is the only thing that we can afford to allow
to affect our aproach to childrens education. This is what I would want for my children, and
we must give these folks at the Board of Education the benifit of the doubt that this is what
their goal is as well. If it is, we have strong experience and evidence that a generalize and fully
developed programming language, such as Perl, will fill an important and under utilized nich in the
educational ecosystem. And PHP would not fill that niche as adequately as our current Perl program.
Ruben
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 04:58:44PM -0400, Robert Marino wrote:
> Im not saying dont help them Im just saying Perl will serve their
> objectives better than PHP and we should explain that to them.
> php is only usefull for web sites perl could be used as a basis for
> teaching other programing languages and math proofs, this makes it a
> better language for them to teach their kids and i know these people they
> want whats best for their kids. im not puting PHP down just saying in this
> case perl is a better choice. and if they dont want Perl we can still help
> them with PHP or get them help from local PHP user groups and this will
> serve both our objectives and theirs.
>
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:
>
> >
> > Bring it to the meeting, but this is not really a good policy.
> >
> > We have objectives to reach with education, and without question
> > certain tools are better for certain missions over other tools.
> >
> > Nothing will tarnish NYLXS's name more than suggesting a program
> > and a set of tools which fails to me our targeted goals. The
> > successful competion of desired end points is what builds a reputation.
> > Encouraging a willy-nilly free for all, anything is good, will not
> > provide any genuine successes and it will cause the schools, and NYLXS
> > to fail in it's essential educational mission.
> >
> > Ruben
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 12:55:48PM -0400, Ray C. wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree
> > >
> > > On Sunday 20 July 2003 11:19 am, Sunny Dubey wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 20 July 2003 01:00 am, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:
> > > > > 3)The Alternative Schools have requested we help them in a district wide
> > > > > staff development on PHP and MySQL. I think we should try to convince
> > > > > them Perl is the way to go but even if we cant convince them its still a
> > > > > good way to get our foot in the door of a lot of schools.
> > > >
> > > > I object to such pointless non-sense. It is not in our place to recommend
> > > > one piece of free software over another. Stuff like this will only tarnish
> > > > the NYLXS name.
> > > >
> > > > Sunny Dubey
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