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| DATE | 2003-07-25 |
| FROM | From: "Steve Milo"
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [hangout] Meeting disruptions.
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The flaw in this argument is that Jay and Brett are banned. That is the
bottom line. That wasnt the time nor the place to have a debate about
wether the ban is justified. Jay should not have been there and neither
should have Brett. Brett sat their quietly until he tried to insinuate
himself into the meeting when Rob was speaking.
I arrived late into the meeting and it was quite evident to me that the
only reason Jay showed up was to disrupt the meeting. He demanded a
vote and other nonesense,which was clearly not on the agenda. This was
an Education Comittee meeting and he knew it. The purpose of a ban is
to prohibit indivuduals who have proven to be disruptive to an
organization. To me Jay has proven so, I never met him before but my
first impression of him is not favorable.
Every democratic system has a ban in one form or another.
I would have left this alone but I am bothered by the prospect of future
disruptions. Granted we had a productive meeting, but that was
afterwards when he was finally and formally asked to leave. If he feels
he was wronged in some way he should persue that issue through other
venues. A vain attempt at creating discourse will not win any points.
Steve M
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Well, that's one way of looking at it. Of course, I could easily argue
an alternative version...
The Educational Meeting began and was in the process of moving
through the agenda when Jay Sulzberger showed up. Jay said hello to a
few friendly faces and was immediately attacked by Ruben who repeatedly
stated "You are banned!, you are not welcome here." Jay took the
defense
and this led to an off-topic debate which lasted for a few moments
until members of NYLXS suggested that this was not the time or place to
discuss the issue and expressed a desire to get back on track. Rob took
offense to the disruption and asked Jay to leave.
The bottom line is quite clear to me. The episode could have SO easily
been avoided by simply applying something called "social skills". For
all we know, Jay could have had every intention to participate in the
discussion and could have been prepared to lend assistance. We'll never
know this because the simple question of "Realizing that issues exist
that are outside the scope of this meeting, can you tell us why you
came down here?". By assuming the answer before even asking the
question, NYLXS instigated.
Regardless, it was a productive meeting and I'd like to thank everyone
for taking the time.
Best,
Adam
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