MESSAGE
| DATE | 2003-05-04 |
| FROM | Dave Williams
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Proposed PR process resolution
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Ruben, if you believe that the people in authority you mentioned don't
touch base and follow a hierarchy when it comes to their public
statements, you are truly deluded.
If you refuse to acknowledge a normal procedure for an organization
because you refuse to be constrained (not censored, as it clearly isn't
censorship), then you may well be the tin-plated ass with a death-grip
on the organization that others describe you as.
And if you think the perfect example of when you should be allowed to
speak freely for NYLXS is when you rave against Brett and Jay, then I
sincerely hope you are trying to be funny. The examples of lies and
abuse you site are perfect opportunities for a well-organized system to
respond with authority. The results of your approach so far speak for
themselves, regardless of the truth of the matter.
Yes, we are indeed dealing with separate concerns. And we are well
aware of your dissatisfaction with PR. But if you take a moment to
think about it, your dissatisfaction comes from the opinion that the
things YOU want aren't being done fast enough. Are those things the
same as what the organization wants? Can you make that distinction?
That's the real question: Is there a difference between Ruben and NYLXS?
Did you have an election just for show, to give the impression of a
democratic process while submitting to none of its requirements? Now
that would be a good PR move!
Did it ever occur to you that maybe the best thing people could do at
this point is make NYLXS stable and reasonably well-organized, even if
it means not focusing on outside issues for a short while? You know,
dong something constructive so that responsiveness won't be an issue in
the future? If you disagree, remember that in your own words Michael
was elected to the position, so he doesn't have to answer to you! He
can do nothing if he chooses, right?
And what if the majority of the Board decides that they want a system of
clearly defined responsibilities and resources? What if they decide
that you will have to go through a specific, official channel to get
your NYLXS-related messages out?
What will you do then?
There's an old cliche: We usually suspect others of the things we are
likely to do ourselves, and accuse others of the things we are often
guilty of.
The fact that you immediately slap down any call for procedural rules
makes me very uncomfortable. When you defend that decision by citing
past offenses against you, particularly ones that haven't been
successfully overcome, I get a little sad.
On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 18:01, Ruben Safir wrote:
> The public relations department is to handle the dispersement of Public
> relations material of the organization and the sub-committees. It does not
> have any sensoring responsibilities and functions at the service of the
> sub comittees.
>
> That's what it does. It gets material and distributes it.
>
>
> > This stuff is organization 101.
>
> This chapter was missed by every major organization in the country.
> Rumsfeld, Power, and Balmer, Mundie and Gates speak from the authority of their
> offices unchecked. In fact, in our case, these are elected positions, and
> clearly these committees heads have independnet jurisdiction over their committees
> with oversite of the board.
>
>
> > I bring it up to address concerns about
> > just how real NYLXS is. Anyone can write scathing letters about Jay or
> > Brett anytime they want to, BUT they cannot put an NYLXS imprint on
> > their message using this system.
>
>
> No - not anyone can. Only people who represent NYLXS, which is the board members
> and Committee Chairs.
>
>
>
> And I'm not concerned about that at all. I'm concerned about the abuses NYLXS
> continually puts up with from Jay and Brett. This is especially true of the
> lies they put forward about the organization, and the organizations lack of
> response to the lies. That concerns me deeply, especially in light of the fact
> that NYLXS not only has rules, but the nature of the lies is addressed firmly
> to abuse me personally.
>
> Take the lie that Jay put forward that he didn't get a chance to be heard,
> when we opened the mailing list to him for a considerable period
> of time where he made his case and it was rejected, and then used the list to
> try to interget his will on all other matters of NYLXS activities.
>
> Or take the lie he spread about the name change, which was never upposed to happen
> until after May 2nd, and was put forward as a proposal by me...not by anyone else.
>
> Or take the lie that they have some sort of rights of poccession of NY Fair Use,
> when they intentionally and with maleous attacked my leadership of NY Fair Use
> from within my home.
>
> Or take the lie that they've accomplished anything since they broke off of NY Fair
> Use....
>
> Or take the lie that Brett didn't steal the FSI class...
>
> Or take the lie that DRM is theft was from some form of brain storming, when it
> was a clear directive from me in the mailing list...
>
> and so on.
>
> Also I'm deeply concerned at the lack of progress that the PR sub-committee has
> actually done up till now, in getting our needed publicity spread, which is it's
> primary responisbility and which at this junction, it's failed at.
>
> So we are definetely working with two different sets of concerns, and I guess
> we'll need to talk about this at the board meeting.
>
> Ruben Safir
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