MESSAGE
| DATE | 2003-05-04 |
| FROM | Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Proposed PR process resolution
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Ruben look up Public Realtions. I will not be stampeaded into releasing
any PR. If we post PR stuff without nylxs being ready for it or on too
short notice, the next time we post it will be dissmissed by those whose
good will we need. The worst thing that PR can do is waste the media's
time. THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF PUBLIC REALTIONS IS THE IMAGE OF NYLXS, INC.
Not everythig needs to be publizied. YES PR CAN AND SHOULD SAY DON'T
PUBLISH SOME THINGS. Think if the kings games date had been
broadcasted and press showed up, they would have found nylxs takling about
what was planned not what had been done. (not all the computers working,
no solid plan laid out) You only get to make a first impesstion once with
the media.
On 4 May 2003, Dave Williams wrote:
>
> Ruben, if you believe that the people in authority you mentioned don't
> touch base and follow a hierarchy when it comes to their public
> statements, you are truly deluded.
>
> If you refuse to acknowledge a normal procedure for an organization
> because you refuse to be constrained (not censored, as it clearly isn't
> censorship), then you may well be the tin-plated ass with a death-grip
> on the organization that others describe you as.
>
> And if you think the perfect example of when you should be allowed to
> speak freely for NYLXS is when you rave against Brett and Jay, then I
> sincerely hope you are trying to be funny. The examples of lies and
> abuse you site are perfect opportunities for a well-organized system to
> respond with authority. The results of your approach so far speak for
> themselves, regardless of the truth of the matter.
>
> Yes, we are indeed dealing with separate concerns. And we are well
> aware of your dissatisfaction with PR. But if you take a moment to
> think about it, your dissatisfaction comes from the opinion that the
> things YOU want aren't being done fast enough. Are those things the
> same as what the organization wants? Can you make that distinction?
>
> That's the real question: Is there a difference between Ruben and NYLXS?
>
> Did you have an election just for show, to give the impression of a
> democratic process while submitting to none of its requirements? Now
> that would be a good PR move!
>
> Did it ever occur to you that maybe the best thing people could do at
> this point is make NYLXS stable and reasonably well-organized, even if
> it means not focusing on outside issues for a short while? You know,
> dong something constructive so that responsiveness won't be an issue in
> the future? If you disagree, remember that in your own words Michael
> was elected to the position, so he doesn't have to answer to you! He
> can do nothing if he chooses, right?
>
> And what if the majority of the Board decides that they want a system of
> clearly defined responsibilities and resources? What if they decide
> that you will have to go through a specific, official channel to get
> your NYLXS-related messages out?
>
> What will you do then?
>
> There's an old cliche: We usually suspect others of the things we are
> likely to do ourselves, and accuse others of the things we are often
> guilty of.
>
> The fact that you immediately slap down any call for procedural rules
> makes me very uncomfortable. When you defend that decision by citing
> past offenses against you, particularly ones that haven't been
> successfully overcome, I get a little sad.
>
> On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 18:01, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > The public relations department is to handle the dispersement of Public
> > relations material of the organization and the sub-committees. It does not
> > have any sensoring responsibilities and functions at the service of the
> > sub comittees.
> >
> > That's what it does. It gets material and distributes it.
> >
> >
> > > This stuff is organization 101.
> >
> > This chapter was missed by every major organization in the country.
> > Rumsfeld, Power, and Balmer, Mundie and Gates speak from the authority of their
> > offices unchecked. In fact, in our case, these are elected positions, and
> > clearly these committees heads have independnet jurisdiction over their committees
> > with oversite of the board.
> >
> >
> > > I bring it up to address concerns about
> > > just how real NYLXS is. Anyone can write scathing letters about Jay or
> > > Brett anytime they want to, BUT they cannot put an NYLXS imprint on
> > > their message using this system.
> >
> >
> > No - not anyone can. Only people who represent NYLXS, which is the board members
> > and Committee Chairs.
> >
> >
> >
> > And I'm not concerned about that at all. I'm concerned about the abuses NYLXS
> > continually puts up with from Jay and Brett. This is especially true of the
> > lies they put forward about the organization, and the organizations lack of
> > response to the lies. That concerns me deeply, especially in light of the fact
> > that NYLXS not only has rules, but the nature of the lies is addressed firmly
> > to abuse me personally.
> >
> > Take the lie that Jay put forward that he didn't get a chance to be heard,
> > when we opened the mailing list to him for a considerable period
> > of time where he made his case and it was rejected, and then used the list to
> > try to interget his will on all other matters of NYLXS activities.
> >
> > Or take the lie he spread about the name change, which was never upposed to happen
> > until after May 2nd, and was put forward as a proposal by me...not by anyone else.
> >
> > Or take the lie that they have some sort of rights of poccession of NY Fair Use,
> > when they intentionally and with maleous attacked my leadership of NY Fair Use
> > from within my home.
> >
> > Or take the lie that they've accomplished anything since they broke off of NY Fair
> > Use....
> >
> > Or take the lie that Brett didn't steal the FSI class...
> >
> > Or take the lie that DRM is theft was from some form of brain storming, when it
> > was a clear directive from me in the mailing list...
> >
> > and so on.
> >
> > Also I'm deeply concerned at the lack of progress that the PR sub-committee has
> > actually done up till now, in getting our needed publicity spread, which is it's
> > primary responisbility and which at this junction, it's failed at.
> >
> > So we are definetely working with two different sets of concerns, and I guess
> > we'll need to talk about this at the board meeting.
> >
> > Ruben Safir
>
> ____________________________
> NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> Fair Use -
> because it's either fair use or useless....
> NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
>
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NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....
NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
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