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| DATE | 2003-05-05 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Proposed PR process resolution
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On Sun, May 04, 2003 at 09:03:44PM -0400, Dave Williams wrote:
> Ruben, if you believe that the people in authority you mentioned don't
> touch base and follow a hierarchy when it comes to their public
> statements, you are truly deluded.
I happen to know as a fact that what I said is the case. Public
Relations is not ever a tool other than to distribute information
to the media.
>
> If you refuse to acknowledge a normal procedure for an organization
> because you refuse to be constrained (not censored, as it clearly isn't
> censorship), then you may well be the tin-plated ass with a death-grip
> on the organization that others describe you as.
Well thank you for the compliment Dave. I appreciate it.
> Yes, we are indeed dealing with separate concerns. And we are well
> aware of your dissatisfaction with PR.
> But if you take a moment to
> think about it, your dissatisfaction comes from the opinion that the
> things YOU want aren't being done fast enough. Are those things the
> same as what the organization wants? Can you make that distinction?
>
>
If you really think about it, the oppurtunities for conconstructive actions
have been a continum and programs put forward from the start, and
the organization functions in a real world time lime. The question is
not as you've stated. The question is only if things that have been
implimented and as possibilities of actions become available, if it is
possible to physically expoit them or not based on our current resources.
NYLXS has charted obligations and permanent committees to oversea those
functions. The education program is an example of that, the schools
program is an example of that, the PR committee is another example of
that.
Right now I'm responsibly for membership, politics, and the journal, and
I'm, the Secretary. As such I've functioned within those areas and as
a function of oversite as a Board member and followed through the responsibility
of working on the transitition of governence.
If fact, nothing would make me happier than for others to pick up their
responsibilities. But I will continue to work.
Now lets look at some of the things I've put down since I've stepped down
as Rpesident.
I'm not running the FSCC - it hasn't had a meeting since
I'm not running the FSI - it hasn't had leafleting or scheduled
classes yet.
I'm not running PR - it failed and it failed to publicize the Opening pf the
education center.
I\and so on....
I think the energy being wasted on this discussion can wait for a board meeting
and that people can perhaps begin to focus on their primary missions. As
people fail in these missions, I'll continue to try to help them formulate
their activities and help move things forward within limits of my time.
> And what if the majority of the Board decides that they want a system of
> clearly defined responsibilities and resources?
This is already built in.
> What if they decide
> that you will have to go through a specific, official channel to get
> your NYLXS-related messages out?
We already have several offical channels already. They have been not fully
utilized.
>
> What will you do then?
>
I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
> There's an old cliche: We usually suspect others of the things we are
> likely to do ourselves, and accuse others of the things we are often
> guilty of.
>
What cliche is that? We're a year into things already and we have a year
and a half of time to work on things and to have run into problems both
anticipated and unanticipated.
> The fact that you immediately slap down any call for procedural rules
> makes me very uncomfortable.
Oh well..
> When you defend that decision by citing
> past offenses against you,
No - I posted a failure, off list I might add, that the other committees
had failed to get things done in time.
And then I noted that I opposed THIS suggestion because it defanges the
committees and hinders the president from being properly representitive of
the office he'd been elected.
And then, only because this was tacted onto the thread, I noted how disapointed
I am about this disconntect between actually accomplishing group efforts
and the lack of unity in the organization against the efforts to undermined
us, and the personal nature of these attacks on me.
So I'll tell you what Dave... you let me know when the PR department is
'ready' to function. I'll have to work around it until then.
And without question, the organization should not come to a halt until that
is taken cared of, nor should it have a veto on the function or communitcations
of other departments.
>
> On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 18:01, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > The public relations department is to handle the dispersement of Public
> > relations material of the organization and the sub-committees. It does not
> > have any sensoring responsibilities and functions at the service of the
> > sub comittees.
> >
> > That's what it does. It gets material and distributes it.
> >
> >
> > > This stuff is organization 101.
> >
> > This chapter was missed by every major organization in the country.
> > Rumsfeld, Power, and Balmer, Mundie and Gates speak from the authority of their
> > offices unchecked. In fact, in our case, these are elected positions, and
> > clearly these committees heads have independnet jurisdiction over their committees
> > with oversite of the board.
> >
> >
> > > I bring it up to address concerns about
> > > just how real NYLXS is. Anyone can write scathing letters about Jay or
> > > Brett anytime they want to, BUT they cannot put an NYLXS imprint on
> > > their message using this system.
> >
> >
> > No - not anyone can. Only people who represent NYLXS, which is the board members
> > and Committee Chairs.
> >
> >
> >
> > And I'm not concerned about that at all. I'm concerned about the abuses NYLXS
> > continually puts up with from Jay and Brett. This is especially true of the
> > lies they put forward about the organization, and the organizations lack of
> > response to the lies. That concerns me deeply, especially in light of the fact
> > that NYLXS not only has rules, but the nature of the lies is addressed firmly
> > to abuse me personally.
> >
> > Take the lie that Jay put forward that he didn't get a chance to be heard,
> > when we opened the mailing list to him for a considerable period
> > of time where he made his case and it was rejected, and then used the list to
> > try to interget his will on all other matters of NYLXS activities.
> >
> > Or take the lie he spread about the name change, which was never upposed to happen
> > until after May 2nd, and was put forward as a proposal by me...not by anyone else.
> >
> > Or take the lie that they have some sort of rights of poccession of NY Fair Use,
> > when they intentionally and with maleous attacked my leadership of NY Fair Use
> > from within my home.
> >
> > Or take the lie that they've accomplished anything since they broke off of NY Fair
> > Use....
> >
> > Or take the lie that Brett didn't steal the FSI class...
> >
> > Or take the lie that DRM is theft was from some form of brain storming, when it
> > was a clear directive from me in the mailing list...
> >
> > and so on.
> >
> > Also I'm deeply concerned at the lack of progress that the PR sub-committee has
> > actually done up till now, in getting our needed publicity spread, which is it's
> > primary responisbility and which at this junction, it's failed at.
> >
> > So we are definetely working with two different sets of concerns, and I guess
> > we'll need to talk about this at the board meeting.
> >
> > Ruben Safir
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