MESSAGE
| DATE | 2003-05-05 |
| FROM | Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Proposed PR process resolution
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Ruben you are confusing Public Realtions with Pubilicty Two driffrent
things that look alike.
On Mon, 5 May 2003, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> On Sun, May 04, 2003 at 09:03:44PM -0400, Dave Williams wrote:
> > Ruben, if you believe that the people in authority you mentioned don't
> > touch base and follow a hierarchy when it comes to their public
> > statements, you are truly deluded.
>
> I happen to know as a fact that what I said is the case. Public
> Relations is not ever a tool other than to distribute information
> to the media.
>
>
> >
> > If you refuse to acknowledge a normal procedure for an organization
> > because you refuse to be constrained (not censored, as it clearly isn't
> > censorship), then you may well be the tin-plated ass with a death-grip
> > on the organization that others describe you as.
>
> Well thank you for the compliment Dave. I appreciate it.
>
>
> > Yes, we are indeed dealing with separate concerns. And we are well
> > aware of your dissatisfaction with PR.
>
>
> > But if you take a moment to
> > think about it, your dissatisfaction comes from the opinion that the
> > things YOU want aren't being done fast enough. Are those things the
> > same as what the organization wants? Can you make that distinction?
> >
> >
>
> If you really think about it, the oppurtunities for conconstructive actions
> have been a continum and programs put forward from the start, and
> the organization functions in a real world time lime. The question is
> not as you've stated. The question is only if things that have been
> implimented and as possibilities of actions become available, if it is
> possible to physically expoit them or not based on our current resources.
>
> NYLXS has charted obligations and permanent committees to oversea those
> functions. The education program is an example of that, the schools
> program is an example of that, the PR committee is another example of
> that.
>
> Right now I'm responsibly for membership, politics, and the journal, and
> I'm, the Secretary. As such I've functioned within those areas and as
> a function of oversite as a Board member and followed through the responsibility
> of working on the transitition of governence.
>
> If fact, nothing would make me happier than for others to pick up their
> responsibilities. But I will continue to work.
>
> Now lets look at some of the things I've put down since I've stepped down
> as Rpesident.
>
> I'm not running the FSCC - it hasn't had a meeting since
> I'm not running the FSI - it hasn't had leafleting or scheduled
> classes yet.
>
> I'm not running PR - it failed and it failed to publicize the Opening pf the
> education center.
>
> I\and so on....
>
> I think the energy being wasted on this discussion can wait for a board meeting
> and that people can perhaps begin to focus on their primary missions. As
> people fail in these missions, I'll continue to try to help them formulate
> their activities and help move things forward within limits of my time.
>
>
> > And what if the majority of the Board decides that they want a system of
> > clearly defined responsibilities and resources?
>
> This is already built in.
>
> > What if they decide
> > that you will have to go through a specific, official channel to get
> > your NYLXS-related messages out?
>
> We already have several offical channels already. They have been not fully
> utilized.
>
> >
> > What will you do then?
> >
>
> I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
>
> > There's an old cliche: We usually suspect others of the things we are
> > likely to do ourselves, and accuse others of the things we are often
> > guilty of.
> >
>
> What cliche is that? We're a year into things already and we have a year
> and a half of time to work on things and to have run into problems both
> anticipated and unanticipated.
>
>
>
> > The fact that you immediately slap down any call for procedural rules
> > makes me very uncomfortable.
>
> Oh well..
>
> > When you defend that decision by citing
> > past offenses against you,
>
> No - I posted a failure, off list I might add, that the other committees
> had failed to get things done in time.
>
> And then I noted that I opposed THIS suggestion because it defanges the
> committees and hinders the president from being properly representitive of
> the office he'd been elected.
>
> And then, only because this was tacted onto the thread, I noted how disapointed
> I am about this disconntect between actually accomplishing group efforts
> and the lack of unity in the organization against the efforts to undermined
> us, and the personal nature of these attacks on me.
>
> So I'll tell you what Dave... you let me know when the PR department is
> 'ready' to function. I'll have to work around it until then.
>
> And without question, the organization should not come to a halt until that
> is taken cared of, nor should it have a veto on the function or communitcations
> of other departments.
>
>
>
> >
> > On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 18:01, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > The public relations department is to handle the dispersement of Public
> > > relations material of the organization and the sub-committees. It does not
> > > have any sensoring responsibilities and functions at the service of the
> > > sub comittees.
> > >
> > > That's what it does. It gets material and distributes it.
> > >
> > >
> > > > This stuff is organization 101.
> > >
> > > This chapter was missed by every major organization in the country.
> > > Rumsfeld, Power, and Balmer, Mundie and Gates speak from the authority of their
> > > offices unchecked. In fact, in our case, these are elected positions, and
> > > clearly these committees heads have independnet jurisdiction over their committees
> > > with oversite of the board.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I bring it up to address concerns about
> > > > just how real NYLXS is. Anyone can write scathing letters about Jay or
> > > > Brett anytime they want to, BUT they cannot put an NYLXS imprint on
> > > > their message using this system.
> > >
> > >
> > > No - not anyone can. Only people who represent NYLXS, which is the board members
> > > and Committee Chairs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And I'm not concerned about that at all. I'm concerned about the abuses NYLXS
> > > continually puts up with from Jay and Brett. This is especially true of the
> > > lies they put forward about the organization, and the organizations lack of
> > > response to the lies. That concerns me deeply, especially in light of the fact
> > > that NYLXS not only has rules, but the nature of the lies is addressed firmly
> > > to abuse me personally.
> > >
> > > Take the lie that Jay put forward that he didn't get a chance to be heard,
> > > when we opened the mailing list to him for a considerable period
> > > of time where he made his case and it was rejected, and then used the list to
> > > try to interget his will on all other matters of NYLXS activities.
> > >
> > > Or take the lie he spread about the name change, which was never upposed to happen
> > > until after May 2nd, and was put forward as a proposal by me...not by anyone else.
> > >
> > > Or take the lie that they have some sort of rights of poccession of NY Fair Use,
> > > when they intentionally and with maleous attacked my leadership of NY Fair Use
> > > from within my home.
> > >
> > > Or take the lie that they've accomplished anything since they broke off of NY Fair
> > > Use....
> > >
> > > Or take the lie that Brett didn't steal the FSI class...
> > >
> > > Or take the lie that DRM is theft was from some form of brain storming, when it
> > > was a clear directive from me in the mailing list...
> > >
> > > and so on.
> > >
> > > Also I'm deeply concerned at the lack of progress that the PR sub-committee has
> > > actually done up till now, in getting our needed publicity spread, which is it's
> > > primary responisbility and which at this junction, it's failed at.
> > >
> > > So we are definetely working with two different sets of concerns, and I guess
> > > we'll need to talk about this at the board meeting.
> > >
> > > Ruben Safir
>
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