MESSAGE
DATE | 2003-03-08 |
FROM | Ruben Safir
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SUBJECT | Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
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I want to know the number becausse the Sptember, Janu and March Journals are behind schedule.
On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 05:41:57AM -0500, Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS wrote: > More than enough What has that to do with this e-mail disscussion? > > On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > Mike > > > > How many volunteer hours have you racked up this quarter? > > > > Ruben > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 12:22:11AM -0500, Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS wrote: > > > I told you before that I would act in the best interests of NYLXS. I > > > belive that the Rules Committiee did what was in the best interests of > > > NYLXS that it was when you wanted it is in part due to you posting > > > personal attacks on Brett. signed Michael L richardson > > > > > > On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > At this point this should be on hangout. Ruben you have been asked to > > > > not post anything about the nylxs.org or NYFU while talks were going on. > > > > Yet you persisted, and each tie you posted you made it that much harder > > > > for me to talk to Brett. If I throught it would get though to you I would > > > > ask the board to censure you. Also I was never at any board meeting that > > > > decided to fold what you call NYFAIRUSE into NYLXS. While we are at it > > > > remember you decided (and talked everyone else into not registering the > > > > nylxs.org domain). NYLXS never owned it. (your words were" we are > > > > nylxs.com not > > > > .org") signed Michael L Richardson. > > > > > > > > On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > > > > > > > Why I apreciate the work you've done as a board member, Joe, and your dedication > > > > > to our efforts, you need to reconsider. > > > > > > > > > > Your wrong Joe > > > > > > > > > > flat out. > > > > > > > > > > First, this shouldn't been sent to hangout, it should have been sent to the > > > > > board mailing list. > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, your wrong on the facts, and I'm sick of it...and now the gloves > > > > > are off. > > > > > > > > > > First of all, you don't care about the NYLXS political agenda and never once > > > > > participated in it. > > > > > > > > > > You complained that NY fair Use was folded into the NYLXS, but you were in a > > > > > minority and given a chance to vote on it, not ONCE, but twice. then you > > > > > claimed that NYLXS's board didn't votebecause there was no board meeting, > > > > > but there was a general emergency meeting with nearly a weeks notice. > > > > > > > > > > Then you claimed that a qorum of the board wasn't there, when every board > > > > > memeber, including you, was there, acecpt Paul and Marco. that's a quurom. > > > > > > > > > > Then you asked for the current board, and I listed it for you TWICE on the > > > > > mailing list. Then we had a second meeting in which the board agreed on the > > > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > 1 - A rules committee would be set up to negotiate the rules for the meeting > > > > > on a settlement. > > > > > > > > > > 2- Michael marco and You would be on the rules committee and meet this week > > > > > with Brett and 'NYFU', diliver the settlemen, and we would impose a deadline > > > > > of this week. Then we had further discussion on the mailing list about > > > > > this going forward and we reinforced that it was to be done this week. > > > > > > > > > > 3- It was publically know from the board meeting that our agreement in the > > > > > horse trading was that everything was to be settled and the domain returned to > > > > > us by TODAY - Friday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We had several private conversations about the nature of a 'rules' committee, > > > > > both you and I, Michael Richardson and I, and Marco and I, and again at the > > > > > board meeting. > > > > > > > > > > The rules committee was in no way impowered to negotiate for the organization > > > > > or the board the terms of settlement. I offered from my person several > > > > > concessions for Brett and 'NYFU' which was also part of the horse trading > > > > > done at the board meeting. I set as a condition for this that things had to be > > > > > done by Friday. > > > > > > > > > > The rules committee met, but failed, not for a lack of effort, but failed > > > > > anyway, in obtaining most of it's objectives. No rules where created for > > > > > meeting of binding arbitration. The next date of meeting with brett was > > > > > pushed back to Saturaday, past our agreed day of settlement. And it seems > > > > > that some of the rules committee members have decided that they are in a > > > > > position to negotiate this themselves. > > > > > > > > > > There is a continual desire on your part to paint this as 'personal'. You > > > > > did this at the board meeting, and your doing this again here. This is > > > > > your personal hang up, not mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So let's get some of the facts right, because you have them mixed up. > > > > > > > > > > Wynkoop is extorting the organization with the .dog domain. Jay has continued > > > > > to lie about the facts, and the evidence in all the matters of NY Fair Use. > > > > > > > > > > Jay told one board memeber that the NYLXS dinner was the NYFU dinner. > > > > > > > > > > Brett paraded around LWE claiming to be the executive director, Brad Kuhn, > > > > > of he FSF and bad mouthing NYLXS and myself. > > > > > > > > > > Brett is sitting on our legal trademark, NYLXS, and our business brand > > > > > of NY Fair Use, both of which I have prior works on. > > > > > > > > > > Brett and Jay are in copyright violation of my work, which I donated to NYLXS. > > > > > > > > > > Brett has claimed he will not give NYLXS back it's domain until a change in > > > > > the board. > > > > > > > > > > It takes 5 minutes to transfer the domain. > > > > > > > > > > Failure to protect trademarks forfiets them. > > > > > > > > > > Brett and Jay have made the rounds through every single member of the > > > > > board, trying to split the board. first was Me, Joe Villari, then Joe > > > > > Grastara, then Marco, and now you and Michael Richardson. > > > > > > > > > > Other organizations in the area are ready to become involved in this dispute > > > > > because of the general threat to gives to all groups in NY. > > > > > > > > > > Brett wanted to make the agreement on a handshake which everyone agrees is > > > > > not good because of their tract record. > > > > > > > > > > Everyone who has looked over the evidence agrees entirely with our position. > > > > > > > > > > We agreed on the next line of action with this regard. > > > > > > > > > > A death in the family is not a cause for a delay in the return of our domain > > > > > to us. > > > > > > > > > > NYLXS will not be extorted, and our fair offer to them. It took over > > > > > vinnie over 10 hours to come up with the agreement papers and we all had > > > > > a chance to review it. > > > > > > > > > > On following the news of the death in the family, I, as President, extended them > > > > > 4 more days, on top of the 6 months, to settle this dispute. > > > > > > > > > > In addition, what you don't know, is that I've also asked the FSF to act as > > > > > a go between the parties and so that Wynkoop can give the domain to the FSF in > > > > > escro until this is settled. (once again, I'm looking for ways of doing this > > > > > flexibly). > > > > > > > > > > Anything which causes this to be dragged closer to April 1st, after the election > > > > > gives in to extrotion to Brett, as that is the turnover date for the new > > > > > officers. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not Jimmy Carter. And Marco is not Ronald Reagan. Brett is not Iran. > > > > > > > > > > This is going to go through the alternate chanells we discussed at the last > > > > > board starting Wednesday if the domain is not returned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ruben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 08:59:46AM -0500, jam-at-rm-cpa.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ruben, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never before worked with someone who acts in such an unprofessional > > > > > > manner on such a consistent manner. You just make sh*t up just to suit > > > > > > your needs. Why do you want to alienate your own board? Why do you act > > > > > > unilaterally without board approval? > > > > > > > > > > > > Your behaviour has wasted everyones time and has gotten us into this > > > > > > situation. You are blinded by the personal nature of the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > You call a general meeting - not a board meetings and then take board votes > > > > > > without a quorem and then pass off the results as board approved. > > > > > > The board set up a rules committee initially to establish rules > > > > > > for a hearing - and then was empowered to offer terms of settlement - you > > > > > > unilaterally make up terms of a settlement without consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > You say your meeting with an attorney on wednesday. Need I remind you > > > > > > about board approval required for the expenditure of funds over $500? > > > > > > > > > > > > If you really want to resolve this matter in accordance with how the board > > > > > > voted - you need to remain out of this and stay silent. Don't continue to > > > > > > shoot yourself in the foot and wonder why it hurts. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a volunteer organization - which under your leadership has done > > > > > > wonderful things for the cause - fustrating your fellow board members and > > > > > > going against their wishes - lessens the enjoyment for the rest of us. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ruben, if you continue to make public statements about the .org name - and > > > > > > continue to behave in such a manner - I will be forced to tender my resignation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe Maffia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Ruben I Safir wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I light of a death in Brett Wynkoops family, NYLXS would like to send > > > > > > > Mr Wynkoop and his family our most solemn condolence. We wish Mr Wynkoop > > > > > > > and his family only the best, and that he should find solace in his time > > > > > > > of grief. Members of NYLXS have had similar personal tragedy, and so while > > > > > > > we work through difficult times, we understand the need for others to pause. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of this, we will suspend our deadline for Brett Wynkoop and > > > > > > > Jay Sulzberger to return the NYLXS.org domain to our organzation until > > > > > > > Wednesday before NYLXS pursue this through other means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ruben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NYLXS President > > > > > > > Founder of NYLXS and NY Fair Use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > __________________________ > > > > > > > Brooklyn Linux Solutions > > > > > > > __________________________ > > > > > > > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting > > > > > > > http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients > > > > > > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > > > > > > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net > > > > > > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1-718-382-0585 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > __________________________ > > > > > Brooklyn Linux Solutions > > > > > __________________________ > > > > > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting > > > > > http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients > > > > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > > > > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net > > > > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... > > > > > > > > > > 1-718-382-0585 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________ > > > > NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene > > > > Fair Use - > > > > because it's either fair use or useless.... > > > > NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc > > > > > > > > -- > > __________________________ > > Brooklyn Linux Solutions > > __________________________ > > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com > > > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting > > http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... > > > > 1-718-382-0585 > >
-- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn....
1-718-382-0585 ____________________________ NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
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