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| DATE | 2003-02-26 |
| FROM | vin
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fair Use situation
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Were you at the meeting Monday night? If not, at least from hangout, you know
that some issues were settled, and that a strategy was agreed upon and
implemented on this issue. Your remarks are not helpful to NYLXS, Inc. at
this point.
Anyone other than NYLXS, Inc. holding any domain that includes NYLXS in any
part of the domain name is damaging to NYLXS, Inc. NYLXS is a registered
trademark belonging to NYLXS, Inc. NYLXS has been an exclusive trademark of
NYLXS, Inc., since inception.
The "mirror" of old information from NYLXS.com domain to NYLXS.org is damaging
to NYLXS, Inc. It is damaging in a number of ways, several of which we have
already documented, and include financial damage. NYLXS, Inc. believes it
has a standing here, from my take of the meeting.
The NYLXS.org domain is providing financial and other benefits to the current
holder of the domain, which NYLXS, Inc. has documented and can show if it
becomes necessary.
At the time of registration, Ruben Safir was President, and the then current
President specifically directed that the domain not be registered. I was a
part of the discussion regarding the mirror, as I had also offered my
internet connection to keep the site up. I even placed an order (and paid
for) with my isp to increase the upload speed on my connection, which I later
reversed as it wasn't needed. I also offered one of my servers, and I
offered to house the NYLXS server. I offered to take whatever steps
necessary to help. I had discussions which included Brett and Ruben and
restarting the NYLXS server so that it could be mirrored, getting physical
access to the server, bringing the server to a new location, including my
location and Brett's location, and setting up a new server/mirror.
The NYLXS.com site was back up in short order, and the NYLXS.org domain has
been held hostage since then. There is no justification for anyone other
than NYLXS, Inc. to have any domain with NYLXS in the domain name. Maybe
this needs repeating, because apparently is hasn't been understood by Kevin.
There is no justification for anyone other than NYLXS, Inc. to have any
domain with NYLXS in the domain name. Period. End of Sentence. That's it.
Your five items for what the domain could have been used for is not all
inclusive. There are other things missing from the list, and there are
problems with e all by itself. I'll not mention them here because NYLXS,
Inc. has a strong position here, and there is no reason to spell everything
out here, the issue will not be settled here. And your item e) was
extensively discussed at the board meeting. There are other issues related,
and you listing is a mis-characterization of what the problems are.
> BRETT could have used the domain:
> a)for his own group
> b)to attack NYLXS
> c)for a P-rn sight
> d)to redirect it to a P-rn site
> e)to mirror NYLXS to help keep NYLXS's image in case people typed the
> wrong url
> the answer is E, but that is not good enought for RUBEN. What would he
> have done if the other choices were done?
>
> -K
The NYFairUse/NYFU issue is separate and apart from holding NYLXS.org hostage.
Perhaps that should be repeated here also. The NYFairUse/NYFU issue is
separate and apart from holding NYLXS.org hostage.
Any personal matters between Brett and Ruben need to be settled by Brett and
Ruben. The NYLXS.org domain needs to be turned over to NYLXS, Inc. Maybe
this needs repeating also. The NYLXS.org domain needs to be turned over to
NYLXS, Inc.
Any other member who feels the need to redefine the issues to suit their own
take on it, please be fully informed of the current standing on everything,
and please run it by the President first. It can also be submitted to the
board for consideration at the next board meeting, or for an emergency board
meeting. If any member has anything they feel is important to the issues,
they can post a request (not the issue itself) on hangout to mail a board
member off list about it, and I'm sure the board member will make the
concerns known to the rest of the board. If anyone has a specific request
that they feel the should be brought to the board's attention, feel free to
email me, and I pledge to bring it to the attention of the full board.
There are people on the cc list that are also on hangout. let's keep the cc a
bit more reasonable please.
Vin.
See comments on dictator below.
>
> > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:48 am, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > > BW had this to say about "Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For
> > > Fair...":
> > > I have said from the start that the so
> > >
> > > > called problems that he has referred to were just a smoke screen for
> > > > what ever private quarrel he has decided he has for me.
> > >
> > > I am aware of this. Not at an intimate level in they way you and ruben
> > > are.
> > >
> > > ... they would have to assume that there was never a very close
> > > friendship and even
> > >
> > > > working partnership on various projects going back many years.
> > >
> > > I am aware of this. Which is why the aforementioned argument makes
> > > sense.
> > >
> > >
> > > New Yorkers For Fair Use are among Ruben's most ardent supporters.
> > > We don't want him to keep attacking us.
> > >
> > >
> > > I am aware of this very, very much. Unfortunatley Ruben like George
> > > Bush likes to make grand rhetoric gestures in a forceful way that do
> > > not allow anyone to save face and to which he will not allow himself to
> > > a place to retreat.
> > > Look at GB's attacks at Saddam. Saddam like GW does not want to lose
> > > face or the respect of this people like GW. GW's position on Iraq does
> > > not allow Saddam to make amends so he is fored to make a statement like
> > > 'i will die in iraq'. After watching 'DR PHIL', he said that it is
> > > important to allow people a 'safe space' to retreat to after an
> > > arguemnt. If you do not, disaster is the only result. If only we could
> > > put aside our differences and focus on our common goal. You might take
> > > the example of Jim Gleason who is very 'socially adept'. He looks for
> > > all his people in NYLUG to feel like they are part of the team and does
> > > not try to exclude people or their input.
Don't compare this to geo-politics. According to many press accounts, even
from the lunatic fringe press, Saddam has been offered by Saudi Arabian and
other emissaries, a chance to obtain asylum in one of several countries,
including Russia and one of several Muslim "states". Whether GB had anything
to do with the secret (not for publication) offers is besides the point.
Your Dr. Phil advisor's advice has been fulfilled. Saddam has been offered
asylum in several countries if he steps down. According to additional press
reports, the Saudis have made this offer repeatedly, over a length of time,
and recently. He has refused all offers. So if you take the advice of Dr.
Phil, a television psychologist with his own motives, whom David Letterman
makes fun of nightly, Saddam has been offered a "safe space". Repeatedly.
Had the US and other countries not taken the forceful stance it has, there
wouldn't even be "inspectors" in Iraq right now. Commentators, even from the
lunatic fringe have admitted this. I believe even what's her face Garafolo
admitted this some months ago before she took an even more public anti-war
stance.
> > > -Kev
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