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| DATE | 2003-02-27 |
| FROM | Dave Williams
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: Info about NOIE and MS (fwd)
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I included a copy of the "The Age" link in a recent message to hangout.
I haven't had a chance to look at all the URIs submitted by Mr. Hubbard,
but I did see the reactions of many Australian Linux users when the
conference was announced (on various weblogs). It seems that their
government was very involved in creating this conference, as opposed to
a private policy or advocacy group. As a result they insisted on giving
Microsoft a strong presence, and simply couldn't understand why this
wouldn't make sense.
The reactions of attendees mentioned in the article were mostly relief
that it wasn't an advocacy event (something about it not being
"evangelical"). Apparently the people attending just wanted a pleasant
afternoon out of the office, and weren't interested in learning about
Open Source specifically. My impression is that Microsoft wins just by
being there. Even if they don't really say much of anything, it is a
strategy of appearing conciliatory and peripherally involved in Open
Source, which is wrong on both counts. It serves their purpose, even if
the reaction is negative (no such thing as bad press and all that).
Some of you may have heard of the slogan "embrace and extend".
Australian advocates didn't really have any choice about this
conference, except to protest or reject it. Either way, it appears to
be a dangerous folly to me, and one that will result in harmful
compromises by people looking for personal gain.
- Dave
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 21:27, Kevin Mark wrote:
> (posters note: As expected, the messenger will be killed.)
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:05:42 +1100 (EST)
> Subject: Re: Info about NOIE and MS
> From: Gordon Hubbard
> To: Kevin Mark
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> I've taken a quick look at your web site and I must say that I'm not sure
> that a "protest" is the best approach. That said, the seminar here was
> probably quite different so I suspect it would be counterproductive to try
> and draw too many parallels.
>
> For sources of information I'd suggest the following:
>
> 1) http://www.noie.gov.au/publications/media_releases/2003/Feb/oss.htm
> http://www.noie.gov.au/projects/egovernment/Better_Infrastructure/OSS/oss_seminars.htm
> http://www.noie.gov.au/projects/egovernment/Better_Infrastructure/OSS/OSS_Pres/NOIE_oss_pres.htm
>
> The last link has all the presentations.
>
> 2) The "Open Source Insight" Newsletter has a *very* detailed account of
> the entire NOIE seminar. As a detailed 3rd party account of events it's
> well worth a read.
>
> I'd like to forward you the newsletter but it's not an option (copyright).
> However, there is a 6 week trial subscription available at
> http://www.latestthinking.com/OSI-Trial. If you ask to start with the 24
> Feb 2003 issue you will get the one that covers NOIE first!
>
> 3) Appended below is an updated list of latest press coverage.
>
> I hope you find all this useful.
>
> Regards
> Gordon.
>
> --
> Gordon Hubbard
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> 26/2/03
>
> "The Age: Microsoft softens stance"
> http://newsvac.newsforge.com/newsvac/03/02/25/223228.shtml?tid=4
>
> "Seminar opened the agenda for open source in government agencies"
> http://www.latestthinking.com/
> Good summary of the event in several articles of this subscription only
> newsletter.
>
> 25/2/03
>
> "Microsoft softens stance"
> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/24/1046063956552.html
> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/24/1046063956552.html
> Also on the front page of the NEXT (IT) section of the hard copy edition.
>
> "Microsoft surprise"
> AustralianIT hard copy edition page 5 reference to the OpenOffice.org CDs
> provided by AUUG to all attendees of the NOIE seminar.
>
> 21/2/03
>
> "Government to follow up on open source interest"
> http://www.arnnet.com.au/nindex.php?taxid=6&id=1877802611&eid=-4152
>
> "The Age: AUUG Launches Open Computing Directory"
> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-02-21-004-26-NW-BZ-CY
>
> 20/2/03
>
> "Sydney Morning Herald: Open Source Gets a Hearing in Canberra"
> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-02-19-016-26-NW-PB-EV
>
> "Govt taps interest in OSS after seminar success"
> http://www.linuxworld.com.au/nindex.php?taxid=6&id=973036692
> http://www.computerworld.com.au/idg2.nsf/All/550B37EDBAD0FF2BCA256CD300066BE1!OpenDocument&n=Sections&c=Open+Systems
>
> 19/2/03
>
> "Government looks to Linux"
> http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,6007800%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html
>
> "Open Source gets a hearing in Canberra"
> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/19/1045330650080.html
> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/19/1045330650080.html
>
> "Government is open to open source"
> http://www.itnews.com.au/storycontent.cfm?ID=3&Art_ID=11552
>
> "No open source mandate: Aust govt"
> http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/os/story/0,2000024997,20272191,00.htm
>
> 17/2/03
>
> "Australia at Linux leading edge"
> http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,5996924%5E15441%5E%5Enbv%5E15306%2D15319,00.html
>
> 13/2/03
>
> "AUUG launches Open Computing Directory"
> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/13/1044927720277.html
> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/13/1044927720277.html
>
> 13/2/03
>
> "Microsoft to make presentation at NOIE Open Source seminar"
> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/13/1044927706574.html
> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/13/1044927706574.html
>
> 10/2/03
>
> "Government delves into open source"
> http://www.linuxworld.com/ic_953262_8574_1-3133.html
> http://www.linuxworld.com/go.cgi?id=741857
> http://www.linuxworld.com.au/news.php3?nid=2199&tid=2
> http://www.computerworld.com.au/idg2.nsf/All/EEED0C3151C5D4FFCA256CC90012E151!OpenDocument&NavArea=Home&SelectedCategoryName=News
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Kevin Mark wrote:
>
> > Hello Mr. Hubbard,
> >
> > After read some info about the recent NOIE seminar. I was
> > looking for more info about exactly what was said by the MS rep(s) and
> > what peoples' impressions were about them. (either from your groups
> > mailing list, from online posts or any other info). I am part of a group
> > that is looking to go to a similar conference in the US
> > (http://www.egovos.org/) hosted by Tony Stanco. My group
> > (http://www.nlyxs.com) is looking to attend and is looking to form a
> > level-headed stratagy for approaching this conference so as to make our
> > case to the goverment officials as to why MS should not be part of such
> > an event. We would like to know what to expect. There is some info about
> > MS appearances but all that I have seen is very vague. Many OS/FS groups
> > (some I am part of) attended linux world expo (in NY) and MS got an OPEN
> > souce award. All is our groups were confused and angred by such
> > misrepresentation of Open souce and libre software.
> > Hope your and our group can help keep goverment data accessible to
> > its people.
> > Thanks.
> > -Kevin Mark
> >
> >
>
>
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