MESSAGE
| DATE | 2003-02-26 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
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Reply is OK.
Just his original.
It really eats me up.
I want to hand this to the rules committee and let them hand this
at this point, so i can focus on the Washington DC action
Ruben
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 04:14:58PM -0000, Inker, Evan wrote:
> So I won't forward you my reply to Brett then....
>
> Regards,
>
> Evan M. Inker (New York) x. 4615
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ruben Safir [mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:40 AM
> To: Joseph A. Maffia
> Cc: rms-at-gnu.org; hangout-at-nylxs.com; kmark-at-pipeline.com;
> richard_m_weinberg-at-yahoo.com; Forest-at-mcdj.org; computek-at-swflug.org;
> thelwell-at-mindspring.com
> Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fair
> Use situation
>
>
>
> Please don't send me messages from Brett. It's so upsetting it upsets my
> whole day.
>
>
> > >
> > >Many of you have not heard from me for some time. I hope this
> > >message finds you well. Much of what I am about say has probably
> > >become obvious to many of you,
>
> Standard rehorical method of deception... this i actually taught in the
> military BTW. 'Of course we all now agree'
>
> >> but I feel that for the good of NYLXS, New Yorkers For Fair
> > >Use, the Free Software movement and the Information Freedom Movement
> > >some things need to be said here and now.
>
> Fine
>
>
> > >
> > >Several months ago in September 2002 in what took me as an overnight
> > >surprise Ruben Safir began to make false statements about me and also
> > >about New Yorkers For Fair Use.
>
>
> Vauge statement without evidence after we've examined it closely.
>
>
> > >He sometimes even implied bad things about both
> > >myself and NYFU
>
> More vaugness and ignors his real conduct while focusing on others. Standard
> bullying posture. The victem deserved to be hit I tell you.
>
> He He He ... looked at me wrong.
>
>
> > >to plant seeds for the weeds of strife that have been growing these
> > >past several months. I have said from the start that the so called
> > >problems that he has referred to were just a smoke screen for what
> > >ever private quarrel he has decided he has for me. i
>
> Feeding forward with more manipulative assertions without evidence. Ending
> in a conclussion without supporting argumentive construction. Ending with a
> pointing of a finger at someone else for an action perpetrated by the
> abusers.
>
>
>
> > >I have spoken to
> > >several people from NYLXS that wanted to speak to me about the
> > >"problem I had with NYLXS". In fact they all said they had no
> > >interest in any issues that had to do with things between me, and
> > >Ruben, or Ruben and New Yorkers For Fair Use.
>
> Now this is just flat out wrong and has been the continual arguement by
> Wynkoop. He has continually denied the exitence of the NYLXS Board and
> Charter, or it's membership. This is very bad.
>
>
>
> > >
> > >It has become clear that none of what Ruben has been doing for the
> > >last several months has been about me. It has been about New Yorkers
> > >For Fair Use and his desire to be single controlling person in that
> > >group. NYFU does not function that way and it never has.
>
> Their is no evidence of Brett's involvement or ability to make any such
> statement, and the evidence overwhelming doesn't support this in any way.
>
> NY Fair Use is my invention, and was run by me with as much of others input
> or lack of it as I deemed was good. Actions was directly my decision
> making process.
>
>
>
> > > The closest Ruben ever got to
> > >being "President for Life" was rotating chair for some of the
> > >meetings.
>
>
> The chair was never rotating. It was Joe Ercole. He would have known that
> if he'd been in any way involved at that time.
>
>
> > >
> > >For anybody to believe the things Ruben has been saying about me, or
> > >New Yorkers For Fair Use, or nylxs.org over the last several months
> > >they would have to assume that there was never a very close
> > >friendship and even working partnership on various projects going back
> many years.
>
>
> I don't know why you would say that. You certainly weren't like my friend
> Harry Torrez, of over 30 years of friendship, or like my Rav, who I speak to
>
> daily, or like other people in my community. I mean, clearly I tried to
> develope a friendship with Brett, but he refused to share, he would hold
> back information and complain that I shouldn't be earning money at things
> because because I'm asking him a
> question. He measured every act of 'kindness' in all the years I knew him,
> in a begrudging fashion, and then when I brought him in on projects, he
> would attempt to talk badly about
> me to the client, and tried to steal clients. I put up with lot a shit
> from Brett
> for a long time because of the positive side of his ledger and his potential
> as a good allay and friend. In the end, he just screwed everyone, and I
> really regret putting him in a position of trust.
>
>
> > >In fact
> > >with some of his attacks against other members of New Yorkers For
> > >Fair Use one would have to assume that he had no relations or close
> > >friendships with any NYFU members either. It is either that, or
> > >everything Ruben says must be taken on blind faith.
>
> Whatever. I run NY Fair Use (and NYLXS for another month), my friendship or
> lack of with people at NY Fair Use is not a question. There is, although
> you would think
> not as public as I am, limit on what is private to me, and a public life.
> It's not right to ask me to evaluate all my friendships and all
> relationships, and to ask people to make a persoanl evaluation of my life
> for the settlmenet of this matter.
>
> There is enough of a written record of events to make clear the truth of the
> case,
> as well as the press legal rights for myself personally and for NYLXS, and
> NY Fair Use as my organization, which need not have examination if Ruben
> treates his friends well or not.
>
> NYLXS will continue with the NY Fair Use brand, but is willing to bargain,
> until Friday.
>
> A rules committee of Marco, Vinnie and Micheal has been started. A formal
> offer will be given Brett and Jay to come to the board this Monday to meet
> with a rules committee as a location of their choosing. They either come
> for the meet with the committee to discuss the cybersquating on our domain,
> or they don't.
>
> If they don't, we move it to the beuarcaracies and the courts to enforce our
> tradmarks and brands. In fact, I think I found a doner willing to give
> NYLXS an capital it would require to defend the NYLXS trademark.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > >
> > >The reason for all this doesn't have to do with me supposedly being
> > >an irresponsible NYLXS instructor or a thief of class funds or a
> > >"cybersquatter" or a copyright or trademark infringer. He has been
> > >trying to make me out as an evil person just because he wanted to be
> > >the sole person in charge of New Yorkers for Fair Use. That's the
> > >whole story.
> > >
> > >After July 17th, Ruben called his own action, a rewrite of the DOC
> > >transcript, without discussion, without anyone else supporting it,
> > >and refused to discuss anything with anybody else. Then he put
> > >himself on the line by pushing for his idea of the one true correct
> > >action.
>
> Right, As I didn't ALL the other times.
>
>
>
> > >
> > >All of the "issues" have been because New Yorkers For Fair Use went
> > >ahead without him last September.
>
> That is not at all founded in truth. I aked you to take over the day to day
> operations and instead you took the orgazition. In a word. I trusted you,
> and you screwed me. It's not the first time, nor was it the last time.
>
> The last time I trusted you and you failed me was with the Unix 2 class.
> But you didn't just expose me that time, but screwed the entire
> organization, with a charter and a responsible government.
>
>
> > >That's all. New Yorkers For Fair Use are among
> > >Ruben's most ardent supporters.
>
> The abuser always loves it's prey.
>
> > >We don't want him to keep attacking us.
> > >All of this trouble is not for any of the reasons he's given you for
> > >the past several months. It's simply unreasonableness.
> > >
> > >There has never been an opportunity to resolve things, in a
> > >reasonable way, without me having to live with ridiculous
> > >accusations, every single one of which has been completely false.
>
> Right. There is always something. Someone contct him and have him meet
> with the rules committee this week. Please don't let it go past this week.
>
>
> > >The only reason for the accusations has
> > >been Ruben's attempting to bring everyone in NYLXS up in arms against
> > >me, for reasons they were not privy to. There is no trademark issue,
> > >and there never was. If that were the case, this whole thing would
> > >have been resolved long ago. It would not have even become an issue
> > >in anyone's mind.
> > >
>
> Hmmm - I let this stand without comment.
>
> > >Now Ruben keeps calling for more escalating actions. I don't see
> > >anything else to say except you either follow along with him without
> > >thinking about what's really going on, or someone needs to get him to
> > >stop creating crises just to keep the spotlight on his leadership and
> > >to rule over his friends.
> > >
>
>
> Sounds like Stalin to me. If we jut remain quite and good, the rewards
> will
> be dished out by Commrade Wynkoop equitably and for the good of the party.
>
>
> > >DRM is theft! We are the stakeholders! http://www.nyfairuse.org/
> >
>
> Ummm
>
> DRM is theft! and We are the Stakeholders! was created my me. I'm revoking
> the right of any organization affiliated with Wynkoop to use those phrases
> without my permision unless they pay NYLXS for the priveledge.
>
> The use of the expression in the context above is a commercial usage
> designed to promote a cybersquating website.
>
> This will be included in damages.
>
> BTW - NY Fair Use is at http://fairuse.nylxs.com
>
> Brett, you should punt, because not only is an antagonistic stand against
> the NYLXS board and Government counter productive, but your exposing
> yourself further and reducing your ability to do advocacy in the community
> in the future.
>
> And then you are going to loose both the NY Fair Use Brand, and the
> NYLXS.org domain. And then your going to wind up being personally
> responsible for the court fees and costs.
>
> We've offered you a MORE than fair deal, in addition to already creating an
> outline for a legal settlment. You should meet with the rules committee and
> agree to binding arbitration on this matter.
>
>
> Ruben Safir
>
> President, NY Fair Use, NYLXS
>
> Sole founder of NY Fair Use, and NYLXS, and the FSI, FSCC, NY Free Software
> Schools initiative, and more, in collaberation with others.
>
>
>
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Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....
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