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DATE | 2003-02-17 |
FROM | Ruben Safir
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SUBJECT | Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Re: eGovOS conference in D.C.
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Oh yeah...
must have accidently left Bret and you off the list more than a year ago, in anticipation of they day you would stab NY Fair Use in the back and Bret would make a pwer grab for NYLXS.
Gotchyah.
Nice try... You should punt now and trade NYLXS.org for our our giving you the Brand NYFAIRUSE.org
Because your not going to win this. There is over two years of hard evidence sitting on my hard drive...including some of the original emails of my asking Bret to set up the NY Fair Use domain for a project I was starting.
Ruben On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 01:49:11PM -0500, Ruben I Safir wrote: > This one from the NYLUG archive is good: > > http://www.nylug.org/mlist/nylug-talk_mhonarc/2001-07/msg01102.html > > You'll notice at the end of this message I'm identifed as the SOLE > founder of NY Fair Use in July of 2001 > > > Hmmm > > > > * To: nylug-talk-at-nylug.org, fairuse-at-mrbrklyn.com > * Subject: [nylug-talk] Lobby Group for Fair USe, DMCA > * From: Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO > * Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:18:41 -0400 (EDT) > * Delivered-To: archive-nylug-talk-at-archive.nylug.org > * Delivered-To: nylug-talk-at-example.com > * Sender: owner-nylug-talk-at-nylug.org > > Sorry for being late on this. Vagn has the other half of the notes, but I rewrote the minuters of our > meeting for primary review. I want to fill out the bios if possible, please email me details. > > Ruben > > > Next Meeting is Wednesday, place to be anounced > > Present: > > Wendy Seltzer: Harvard Graduate Lawyer and founder of the > Open Law initiative. > > Noah Sussman - Senior Wed Designer for deltathree. > > Sean Aurita > > Joe Katz > > Forest M*rs > > Vagn Scott - Regular NYLUG member and co-leader of the Free-Dmitry > anti-adobe protests. > > Lyn Ohare - Regular NYLUG member, Founder of GNUBBIES, > graduate of NYU, Japanese Translator. > > JoeAnn Cripps - Regular NYLUG member > > Seth Johnson > > Ruben Sair - Regular NYLUG member, founder of http://www.nyfairue.org > CEO of Brooklyn Linux Solutions > > > On 2003.02.15 07:25 Stanley A. Klein wrote: > > > > At 02:40 PM 2/15/2003 -0500, Ruben Safir wrote: > > >On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 02:11:17PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > > >> I would argue that a sound economic foundation for Free Software > > >> is the most important thing to society at this junction. > > >> > > >> Arrangements that lead to more funding for free software development > > >> would be good, of course, all else being equal. > > > > > >It' not just funding of Free Software development, it's a fund of the users, > > >administrators, and the marketers of Free Software. > > > > > >> But I am not > > >> convinced that free software needs any specific thing that one would > > >> call an economic foundation, because I don't think that the greatest > > >> limiting factor today for the further development of free software is > > >> a matter of funding. > > > > > >There has to be a foundation of economic development because otherwise > > >people can't eat. Eating is good. Not eating is very bad. > > > > This sounds like it plows the same ground as an email discussion I had with > > RMS a couple of years ago, about the time of the UCITA fight in Maryland. > > > > Also, strangely, as I understand it, Tony Stanco's first efforts in the > > area of free/open-source software involved a rather grandiose and > > impractical proposal intended to help in this area. > > > > I think it may have been bits and pieces of his idea that led to the > > conference. > > > > > > Stan Klein > > > > >From owner-fairuse-at-mrbrklyn.com Mon Feb 17 13:29:28 2003 > > Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > > by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h1HITSjb025644 > > for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:29:28 -0500 > > Received: (from mdom-at-localhost) > > by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h1HITSJ1025643; > > Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:29:28 -0500 > > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:29:28 -0500 > > From: owner-fairuse-at-mrbrklyn.com > > Message-Id: <200302171829.h1HITSJ1025643-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> > > X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: mdom set sender to owner-fairuse-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com using -f > > To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com > > Subject: BOUNCE fairuse-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com: Non-member submission from [root ] > > Content-Length: 3671 > > Lines: 67 > > > > >From owner-fairuse-at-mrbrklyn.com Mon Feb 17 13:29:27 2003 > > Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > > by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h1HITRjb025638; > > Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:29:27 -0500 > > Received: (from root-at-localhost) > > by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h1HITQPw025637; > > Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:29:26 -0500 > > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:29:26 -0500 > > From: root > > Message-Id: <200302171829.h1HITQPw025637-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> > > To: fairuse-at-nylxs.com, rms-at-gnu.org, jays-at-panix.com > > Subject: NY Fair Use Announcements Archive > > > > ============================================================================== > > To: fairuse-at-mrbrklyn.com, fairuse-announce-at-mrbrklyn.com, hangout-at-nylxs.com, nylxs-announce-at-mrbrklyn.com > > From: Ruben I Safir > > Reply-to: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com > > Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 23:38:27 -0400 > > Subject: [fairuse-announce] Happy Birthday NY Fairuse > > Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Everyone who has participated in the efforts over the last year to roll back the DMCA and to fight for > > Fair Use, should take a bow, as NY Fair Use is one year old this week. It was last May, in response to > > the growing threat of digital rights management systems and legal extortion which threatened our Public > > Libraries, and Public School system, a few of us joined together for the first meeting of NY Fairuse at > > the Killarny Rose downtown. Through that Summer, and through the most difficult Fall anyone could ever > > imagine, NY Fair Use has been a beacon for freedom, individual rights, and political action unto today. > > > > Over this past year, we have had incredible success in bringing the issues to Congress, and making our > > elected leaders aware of present danger to the foundation stone of Demacracy. When Librarians were called > > terrorist by AAP, we were their fighting for libraries. And when Dmitry Skylar was jailed, we were ready to > > lead the way for his freedom. And when the WTC was being destroyed, we were in the streets protecting the > > rights of individuals to their property and access to information. And this winter, when everyone was afraid > > to go to Washington, we were there dropping our petitions and presenting our cases. > > > > But there is still more to do. Come join NYFAIRUSE as we plan our next phase in protecting digital property > > rights, as we press Congress for protection from Copyright abuse in the home and in business as we press for > > a new Fair Use bill, currently being written by Jean Thewell. The objectives of this bill will be to give > > power back to artists and writers, to prevent wiretapping our our computers, and protect fair competition > > in the digital device market, by defining more tightly Copyright as the exception to Fair Use. > > > > Meet with us Tuesday, May 7th at the Killarny Rose, 6:30PM, at 82 Beaver Street, and help us pass this bill, > > and bring a new era of fair use, empowerment, and fair competition into the 21st Century. > > > > > > Ruben > > > > -- > > __________________________ > > > > Brooklyn Linux Solutions > > __________________________ > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting > > http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > > http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/dr.mp3 - Imagine my surprise when I saw you... > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... > > > > 1-718-382-5752 > > > > > > > > ____________________________ > > New Yorkers for Fair Use - > > because it's either fair use or useless.... > > > > To stop the messages from coming see http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/appl/fairuse/gone.html > > ____________________________ > > New Yorkers for Fair Use - > > because it's either fair use or useless.... > > > -- > __________________________ > Brooklyn Linux Solutions > __________________________ > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting > http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... > > 1-718-382-0585
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