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| DATE | 2003-02-18 |
| FROM | Joe Grastara
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYLXS Dispute
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Jay,
I think what Ruben is offering is fair. Neither you nor Brett has any
right to the NYLXS.org domain. You have to give it back to the
organization. If you don't want to give it to Ruben personally then
pick some other member of NYLXS to give it to. But one way or another
it's got to come back to the organization. I agree with Vin's
assessment, Brett has been to say the least, shady, when it comes to
this matter. I have not always agreed with how Ruben has handled the
dispute, but Brett is definitely wrong to keep the domain name hostage.
If he and Ruben have some beef, and if their is some beef with NY Fair
Use that is one thing, but there is no reason to punish members of
NYLXS that have nothing to do with either dispute. Just do the right
thing and give the name back and settle any problems you may have with
Ruben separately.
-Joe Grastara
On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 03:36 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> BTW - I'm not asking for the work on Brooklyn on Line to be brought
> down
>
> It's also a gift...
>
> Ruben
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 03:33:30PM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>
>> Well
>>
>> Now, faced with mounting evidence agains the coup of NYFairUse and the
>> Cybersquating of NYLXS.org, we are reaching a desperite pitch.
>>
>> NY Fair Use does not run down every problem or respond to very call by
>> every organization, including the EFf and the FSF. NY Fair Use has
>> always
>> considered this playing 'whack the mole' and focuses instead on
>> efforts to
>> move the electorate towards practicle political change.
>>
>> In other words, we attack the root.
>>
>> But the claim of working against this FSF on any issue, or even your
>> little
>> band of cybersquaters is boarding on delussional claims.
>>
>> Jay - you should Punt and trade the NY Fair Use Brand for the
>> NYLXS.org
>> domain, your you will be left without both.
>>
>> In any event, we had another meeting for NYLXS today, with 3 people,
>> and
>> we;ll have another tonight, likely with about 15 people, and classes
>> and
>> so on.
>>
>> There will be an election in the coming month, as an act of real
>> responsible
>> government. Someone will be elected, and I may be happy about the
>> groups
>> choice, or not. But the process is my GIFT to the NYC Free Software
>> Community
>> and you will not be able to destroy it.
>>
>> in any event, this wasn't what you were saying at our annual dinner,
>> and, but if you feel this way, BY ALL MEANS, TAKE MY WORK DOWN from
>> NYFAIRUSE.org and EXCLUDE ME from this URL
>>
>> http://www.nyfairuse.org/support/
>>
>> Not to mention primary creative force of Brooklyn On Line, which has
>> been
>> donate to Mr Wynkoop...
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ruben I Saifr
>> Founder of NYLXS, NY Fair Use, The Free Software Institute, the Free
>> Software Chamber of
>> Commerce, The New York City Free Software Schools Initiative, and the
>> NYLXS Journal
>>
>> in collaberation with many many others.
>>
>> President of NY Fair Use and Lame Duck President of NYLXS
>>
>> Ruben Safir
>>
>>
>> <>> compared
>> to Ruben's campaign of vilification of the most effective organized
>> group
>> in New York City working for our right to private ownership of
>> computers
>> and our right to free private, tribal, business, and public use of
>> the Net,
>> Ruben has worked against every action of NYFU since September 2002,
>> including, of course, the FSF's call for action against the W3C's
>> mistaken
>> patent policy. Please do not support a man who has done grave damage
>> to
>> the movement in New York, in addition to the good he did by founding
>> NYLXS,
>> which is now near dissolution as a direct result of Ruben's ridiculous
>> claims to dictatorship.>>
>> --
>> __________________________
>> Brooklyn Linux Solutions
>> __________________________
>> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com
>>
>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
>> http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients
>> Http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
>> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories
>> and articles from around the net
>> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown
>> Brooklyn....
>>
>> 1-718-382-0585
>> ____________________________
>> New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
>> Fair Use -
>> because it's either fair use or useless....
>
> --
> __________________________
> Brooklyn Linux Solutions
> __________________________
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com
>
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
> http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories
> and articles from around the net
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown
> Brooklyn....
>
> 1-718-382-0585
> ____________________________
> New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> Fair Use -
> because it's either fair use or useless....
____________________________
New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....
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