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| DATE | 2003-02-19 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] NYLXS, NYFairUse
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> I would like to point out that Brett has been blackhole routed from the
> NYLXS servers for at least a couple of months,
Right and it will continue indefinetely because he was mirroring the site
and was making a private mailing list outside of the organization.
the blackhole routing will continue. In addition, it was a decision supported
by the board in the irc meeting that we had which I have recorded the logs for.
> so there is little hope
> that any of us can get his version of events,
This is completely unfounded and untrue. Bret has been repeatedly offered the
oppurtunity to do so to the board and refused to accept. And now that they've
been cornered with a deludge of historical documents against there case, and
exposed they are now begging for an unrestrictive open floor to address events.
Joe Villari completely got a report from Brett first hand and reported it to
the board. Oppurtunities have been many and often.
At this point, he is still refusing to discuss it with anyone who is in
opposition to their taking the domain.
> and now Jay has been
> blocked from posting to hangout.
This is correct, but it can change. When Jay refrains from damaging the
organization through the list, it can be reinstated. meanwhile, his most
accusatory messages have been openly approved for review and sent through
to the list.
> Both of these acts have been
> individual decisions by Ruben,
Well - what can I say... I'm guilty of crimes against NYLXS. the blackhole
routing will continue. The ban is now permantent for Jay and Bret.
> as was the mail bombing of the wwwacs
> list which got us knocked off the net last year.
This was discussed last night, but it doesn't really matter. I will not cover
this accusation here as its a side issue to the matter before us, which is
the ownership of the NYLXS.org domain and my foundation of and ownership
of NY Fair Use. I will also say, just to clarify things, that I never
mail bombed the wwwacs list. I mail bombed someone who attempted to hack into,
what was at that time, my completely personal server. Furthermore, that did
not lead to the my connection being cut off. Complaints about my spam filter
was the cause of that after the WWWACS tripped it intentionally.
In addition, they have been given oppurtunities to address the board face to
face on this matter. They have refused. We are not going to spouncer
a shhot out at the OK Coral, although they prefer to work like that in order
to obsure facts.
They can bring up this and any other venomous and red-herring
complaints to the board when they are ready to enter a closed meeting
with the Board for the purposes of transfering the NYLXS.org domain.
> While I think it is important and efficient that the president act on
> his own in some instances, I think a strong involved board is the only
> way of maintaining any semblance of democracy.
The broad was very involved last night. We had about 4 votes. Joe G will
post the minutes which were recorded.
>
> While Ruben's brash actions are sometimes exactly what is needed for
> bringing an important point to light (such as this past week with the
> egovos), they can unchecked leave many people with serious reservations
> about participating in this group. And thus deprive NYLXS of what it
> needs most: active members and a strong board.
We had over 20 people at the meeting last night.
>
> I call to stop the censure of Brett and Jay, at least to get their side
> of the story. I ask to stop the allegations that they are going to
> attack a meeting and that the added security of a bouncer or security
> guard is needed to protect our meetings from them.
Jay specifically sent an email threatenign this, and this was the reason why
he was removed from the list.
>
> At the same time I fear the scene of a confrontation between these three
> parties. I saw Ruben explode at the King's James install feast, as well
> as this past Sunday, and on the phone recently when I had first
> challenged him on this.
>
Huh? What is the Kings James installfest?
You mean the Kings Games installfest? Where Brett and Seth showed up to
disrupt things. We were mostly all at that installfest. I'll leave it for
those who were there to judge the events.
> The more I become involved in this organisation, the more its actions
> reflect upon me. I cannot continue to function in this organisation with
> good heart and conscience until these issues have been cleared up.
>
Is this a letter of resignation?
I hope you don't resign, but I can understand how feeling on this matter can
produce such a need and I would be understnanding of it if you felt you
did not want to anylonger participate with NYLXS.
Please let us know your decision.
Ruben
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