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DATE | 2003-02-19 |
FROM | Ruben Safir
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SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] NYLXS.org
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No more than 2. That would be enough to be a witness. And they are not part of the process, just 'witnesses'. We'll tape it for our protection.
Ruben
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 05:31:49PM -0500, Joe Grastara wrote: > If they want to bring other people as "witnesses", I would be, in > theory, willing to allow that. Of course I can't imagine who else they > would bring that would have relavent, pertinent and useful knowledge of > this issue. But if Jay and Brett insist, they I think we should at the > very least get a list of who they intend to bring as well some brief > but specific justification as to special knowledge they have and how > they will be able to facilitate the settlement of this issue. > > Ruben, I don't have time at the moment to post the minutes. I'll do it > this evening. > > -Joe > On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 04:45 PM, Inker, Evan wrote: > > > > Maybe I'm missing the point but I thought Jay and Brett were coming > > down to address the concerns voiced earlier. If you are going to > > get Jay and Brett and several people addressing the Board, it will > > be a never ending story.. As it stands now, who from NYLXS will be > > attending this meeting? And has the issue of binding arbitration > > been agreed to? > > > > And I would like to know what the purpose of these "several" other > > people are and who they are... > > Just trying to keep it simple. If these several other people are > > showing up to confirm/deny any of the issues and they have first > > hand knowledge, then I can see the point. Otherwise, its just looks > > like a cheering session... > > > > Regards, > > > > Evan M. Inker > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joseph A. Maffia [mailto:jam-at-rm-cpa.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:40 PM > > To: Ruben Safir; rms-at-gnu.org; hangout-at-nylxs.com > > Subject: Re: [hangout] NYLXS.org > > > > I received phone messages from Jay and Brett today. Saddam Jay > > asked for more time to turnover his weapons of mass destruction. > > Several persons who he attends to attend this discussion will not > > be available for a monday meeting. > > > > > > -At 04:22 PM 02/19/2003 -0500, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > > We can draft it on the list if possible. > > We should schedule for it for Sunday perhaps? > > > > If they want to, Brett and Jay can come and complain to the board > > about me and so forth then, and then trade the NYLXS.org domain for > > the > > rights of the NY Fair Use brand. > > > > I doubt this will satisfy marco, but I think it gives them the > > oppurtunity > > for a fair hearing and to air their grievences properly without it > > becoming > > a circus. > > > > Joe, can I get the minutes from last night up? > > > > Ruben > > > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 12:25:52PM -0500, Joe Grastara wrote: > > > I agree with Evan, an agenda needs to be drafted and possibly > > agreed > > > upon by all parties before going into the meeting. > > > > > > -Joe Grastara > > > > > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:12 PM, Inker, Evan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Ahh, > > > > > > > >One last condition: An agenda for this meeting needs to be > > drafted as > > > >I do > > > >not want several different parties going off in multiple > > convoluted > > > >areas > > > >not related to this matter. If we keep it simple, to the point, > > and > > > >organized, we can maintain a sense of order. > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > >Evan M. Inker (New York) x. 4615 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Inker, Evan [mailto:EInker-at-gam.com] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:02 PM > > > >To: 'Ruben Safir'; Joe Grastara > > > >Cc: Marco Scoffier; hangout > > > >Subject: RE: [hangout] Propose a resolution/board meeting on > > Monday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Due to the gravity and importance of this situation, I would > > strongly > > > >suggest that this proposed meeting be a Board Meeting and in > > agreement > > > >with > > > >Joe Gastara, this meeting should be held in a private setting. > > The only > > > >other condition I would like imposed is that all a final > > conclusion to > > > >this > > > >matter be resolved once and for all. This has gone on way too > > long.... > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > >Evan M. Inker (New York) x. 4615 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Ruben Safir [mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:45 AM > > > >To: Joe Grastara > > > >Cc: Marco Scoffier; Ruben Safir; hangout > > > >Subject: Re: [hangout] Propose a resolution/board meeting on > > Monday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm not opposed to a board meeting with their apearance. > > > > > > > >I'm opposed to it in a public place, and I'm oppsoed to it being > > a > > > >'presentation' and I'm opposed to it not being linked to the > > > >negotiation of > > > >the trade of the NY Fair Use brand from NYLXS to Jay and Brett > > for the > > > >.org > > > >domain. > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no indication from Jay or Marco that the meeting that > > is being > > > >proposed is for any other purpose other than a indictment of > > NYLXS, > > > >and me > > > >personally. > > > > > > > >This I'm not interested in. There has been no suggfestion that > > they > > > >are > > > >willing to transfer the domain. This is just the repeated > > request by > > > >Jay > > > >that 'both side of the story' needs to be heard when they've > > had > > > >multiple > > > >opportunities to do this. > > > > > > > >It's either a meeting to get the Domain exchanged for the NY > > Fair Use > > > >brand > > > >or not. > > > > > > > >Marco can respond to what they are willing to agree to or not. > > But I'm > > > >willing to bet a lot that they are not willing to actually put > > the > > > >matter to > > > >binding arbitration of to negotiate the exchange. > > > > > > > >and Sunday is the last day I'm holding out that offer. So they > > should > > > >move > > > >faster. I want this settled before the election. > > > > > > > >Ruben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:33:38AM -0500, Joe Grastara wrote: > > > >> > > > >>Ruben, > > > >> > > > >>We need to have a meeting with Jay and Brett. If you don't > > want to > > > >>call it an official Board Meeting, I think that's an acceptable > > and > > > >>appropriate measure, given that they have been banned from the > > > >>organization. > > > >> > > > >>I do agree with you though that the stated purpose from our > > point of > > > >>view of the meeting from the start needs to be the transfer of > > the > > > >>NYLXS.org domain from Brett to NYLXS. However we should, as a > > show of > > > >>good faith, despite any personal issues any of us may have with > > them, > > > >>give them an opportunity to voice any legitimate issues they > > may have > > > >>with NYLXS as an organization. > > > >> > > > >>Additionally I suggest that we transfer the meeting from the > > Killarney > > > >>Rose to a location that has internet connectivity so that we > > may > > > >>complete the transfer of the domain right at the meeting. > > > >> > > > >>Once again though, the deal you are offering, Ruben, is one > > that Jay > > > >>and Brett will likely find to be fair and thus will result in > > the > > > >>resolution of this matter. We should not thwart this process > > any > > > >>further by petty bickering over the logistics of the meeting. > > > >> > > > >>-Joe Grastara > > > >> > > > >>On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 11:15 AM, Marco Scoffier > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>>On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:44:33AM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > >>>>No > > > >>>> > > > >>>>There will only be a meeting for them to hand over NYLXS.org > > > >>>> > > > >>>>There banded at this point. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Ruben > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>>Can you deny the board such a meeting? > > > >>> > > > >>>As far as I can tell Evan Inker, Vin, Joe Grastara and myself > > are in > > > >>>favor of such a meeting. 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