MESSAGE
| DATE | 2003-02-22 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] NYLXS.org Deal
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I think that's fair. What do you propose? If I've been inconsistent,
my apologies. I don't want this problem to be passed on to the
next administration usless it's in the courts.
And I don't thing Jay is able to speak with authoirty on the matter
either. But I'm not going to let it just go on and on. There needs
to be a conclussion.... and not in a month, but in a week.
Ruben
On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 03:50:25PM -0500, Marco Scoffier wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 06:37:42PM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> > The NYLXS.org deal is only on the table for 3 more days
> > and come Tuesday I'm opening this up to the courts.
> >
> > So if that rules committee is going to happen, folks should move faster.
> >
> > Ruben
> >
> Need I remind everyone of a mail not three days ago (see below)?
>
> Can we get some consistency please?
>
> Jay has said clearly that Brett is out of town and that he can't get a
> statement by Monday or Tuesday.
>
> Do you want a resolution or conflict conflict conflict?
>
> --Marco
>
> From: Ruben Safir
> To: "Joseph A. Maffia"
> Cc: "Inker, Evan" , Ruben Safir ,
> rms-at-gnu.org, hangout-at-nylxs.com
> Subject: Re: [hangout] NYLXS.org
>
> OK
>
> First, yes, a rules committee should formed. In fairness to Marco, he
> should be included.
>
> In regards to more time, I believe that the level of this split has
> personally hurt Jay's feeling on this matter, and he might be trying to
> arbitrate for Wynkoop in god faith.
>
> Based on this alone, I would be willing to extend one more week with
> assurance that the problem will be solved in good faith before March
> 15th. The domain must be willingly be secured before March 15th under
> this condition.
>
> I want everyone to understand my reasoning on this now, because often
> I've extended these kind of olive branches and then they were
> reinterpreted and became points made against NY Fair Use, NYLXS and me
> peronally.
>
> If it's not in good faith, then we will immediately procede to legal action.
>
> Ruben
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 04:58:47PM -0500, Joseph A. Maffia wrote:
> > I suggest a rules committee be formed and once the rules have been agreed
> > by both sides - we should then hold a meeting/binding arbitration. The
> > rules committee would propose how long, how many people, etc. etc.
> >
> >
> > At 09:45 PM 02/19/2003 +0000, Inker, Evan wrote:
> > >Maybe I'm missing the point but I thought Jay and Brett were coming down
> > >to address the concerns voiced earlier. If you are going to get Jay and
> > >Brett and several people addressing the Board, it will be a never ending
> > >story.. As it stands now, who from NYLXS will be attending this meeting?
> > >And has the issue of binding arbitration been agreed to?
> > >
> > >And I would like to know what the purpose of these "several" other people
> > >are and who they are...
> > >Just trying to keep it simple. If these several other people are showing
> > >up to confirm/deny any of the issues and they have first hand knowledge,
> > >then I can see the point. Otherwise, its just looks like a cheering
> > >session...
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Evan M. Inker
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Joseph A. Maffia [mailto:jam-at-rm-cpa.com]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:40 PM
> > >To: Ruben Safir; rms-at-gnu.org; hangout-at-nylxs.com
> > >Subject: Re: [hangout] NYLXS.org
> > >
> > >I received phone messages from Jay and Brett today. Saddam Jay asked for
> > >more time to turnover his weapons of mass destruction. Several persons who
> > >he attends to attend this discussion will not be available for a monday
> > >meeting.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-At 04:22 PM 02/19/2003 -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > >
> > >>We can draft it on the list if possible.
> > >>We should schedule for it for Sunday perhaps?
> > >>
> > >>If they want to, Brett and Jay can come and complain to the board
> > >>about me and so forth then, and then trade the NYLXS.org domain for the
> > >>rights of the NY Fair Use brand.
> > >>
> > >>I doubt this will satisfy marco, but I think it gives them the oppurtunity
> > >>for a fair hearing and to air their grievences properly without it
> > >>becoming
> > >>a circus.
> > >>
> > >>Joe, can I get the minutes from last night up?
> > >>
> > >>Ruben
> > >>
> > >>On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 12:25:52PM -0500, Joe Grastara wrote:
> > >>> I agree with Evan, an agenda needs to be drafted and possibly agreed
> > >>> upon by all parties before going into the meeting.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Joe Grastara
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:12 PM, Inker, Evan wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Ahh,
> > >>> >
> > >>> >One last condition: An agenda for this meeting needs to be drafted as
> > >>> >I do
> > >>> >not want several different parties going off in multiple convoluted
> > >>> >areas
> > >>> >not related to this matter. If we keep it simple, to the point, and
> > >>> >organized, we can maintain a sense of order.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Regards,
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Evan M. Inker (New York) x. 4615
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >-----Original Message-----
> > >>> >From: Inker, Evan [mailto:EInker-at-gam.com]
> > >>> >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:02 PM
> > >>> >To: 'Ruben Safir'; Joe Grastara
> > >>> >Cc: Marco Scoffier; hangout
> > >>> >Subject: RE: [hangout] Propose a resolution/board meeting on Monday
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Due to the gravity and importance of this situation, I would strongly
> > >>> >suggest that this proposed meeting be a Board Meeting and in agreement
> > >>> >with
> > >>> >Joe Gastara, this meeting should be held in a private setting. The only
> > >>> >other condition I would like imposed is that all a final conclusion to
> > >>> >this
> > >>> >matter be resolved once and for all. This has gone on way too long....
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Regards,
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Evan M. Inker (New York) x. 4615
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >-----Original Message-----
> > >>> >From: Ruben Safir [mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
> > >>> >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:45 AM
> > >>> >To: Joe Grastara
> > >>> >Cc: Marco Scoffier; Ruben Safir; hangout
> > >>> >Subject: Re: [hangout] Propose a resolution/board meeting on Monday
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >I'm not opposed to a board meeting with their apearance.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >I'm opposed to it in a public place, and I'm oppsoed to it being a
> > >>> >'presentation' and I'm opposed to it not being linked to the
> > >>> >negotiation of
> > >>> >the trade of the NY Fair Use brand from NYLXS to Jay and Brett for the
> > >>> >.org
> > >>> >domain.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >There is no indication from Jay or Marco that the meeting that is being
> > >>> >proposed is for any other purpose other than a indictment of NYLXS,
> > >>> >and me
> > >>> >personally.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >This I'm not interested in. There has been no suggfestion that they
> > >>> >are
> > >>> >willing to transfer the domain. This is just the repeated request by
> > >>> >Jay
> > >>> >that 'both side of the story' needs to be heard when they've had
> > >>> >multiple
> > >>> >opportunities to do this.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >It's either a meeting to get the Domain exchanged for the NY Fair Use
> > >>> >brand
> > >>> >or not.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Marco can respond to what they are willing to agree to or not. But I'm
> > >>> >willing to bet a lot that they are not willing to actually put the
> > >>> >matter to
> > >>> >binding arbitration of to negotiate the exchange.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >and Sunday is the last day I'm holding out that offer. So they should
> > >>> >move
> > >>> >faster. I want this settled before the election.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Ruben
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:33:38AM -0500, Joe Grastara wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>Ruben,
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>We need to have a meeting with Jay and Brett. If you don't want to
> > >>> >>call it an official Board Meeting, I think that's an acceptable and
> > >>> >>appropriate measure, given that they have been banned from the
> > >>> >>organization.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>I do agree with you though that the stated purpose from our point of
> > >>> >>view of the meeting from the start needs to be the transfer of the
> > >>> >>NYLXS.org domain from Brett to NYLXS. However we should, as a show of
> > >>> >>good faith, despite any personal issues any of us may have with them,
> > >>> >>give them an opportunity to voice any legitimate issues they may have
> > >>> >>with NYLXS as an organization.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>Additionally I suggest that we transfer the meeting from the Killarney
> > >>> >>Rose to a location that has internet connectivity so that we may
> > >>> >>complete the transfer of the domain right at the meeting.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>Once again though, the deal you are offering, Ruben, is one that Jay
> > >>> >>and Brett will likely find to be fair and thus will result in the
> > >>> >>resolution of this matter. We should not thwart this process any
> > >>> >>further by petty bickering over the logistics of the meeting.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>-Joe Grastara
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 11:15 AM, Marco Scoffier wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:44:33AM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > >>> >>>>No
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>>There will only be a meeting for them to hand over NYLXS.org
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>>There banded at this point.
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>>Ruben
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>Can you deny the board such a meeting?
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>As far as I can tell Evan Inker, Vin, Joe Grastara and myself are in
> > >>> >>>favor of such a meeting. I am happy that finally there are some
> > >>> >>>other voices on this.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>Of course we would need a moderator and an assurance on both sides to
> > >>> >>>accept the results of such a meeting.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>I cannot understand how hushing the other side can possibly bring
> > >>> >>>about a resolution.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>--Marco
> > >>> >>>
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