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| DATE | 2003-02-14 |
| FROM | From: "Stanley A. Klein"
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Re: a proposed solution
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You have given me that impression almost from the start, and nothing I have
seen or heard has tended to change that. Given the intensity of your
rhetoric and some of the statements you have made, even 100 protestors
would be enough for me to think that the conference and university need to
ensure ample police coverage.
BTW, the IMF demonstrators don't throw rocks. In fact, in one
demonstration the DC police arranged for the ones who wanted to be arrested
to line up and be peacefully arrested one-by-one.
Even if all you plan to do is stand there and wave signs and shout, they
will need to have police coverage. That kind of protest happens reasonably
often in DC. In fact, I think there is a continuous protest on a wide
variety of subjects going on every day in Lafayette Park across from the
White House.
My analysis of the situation is that anything beyond vigorous participation
in the Q&A part of the debate would be counterproductive at some level.
And, of course, a protest demonstration like I am describing would be
seriously counterproductive, but that's what your rhetoric has already
implied.
I'm open to being convinced otherwise.
Stan Klein
At 01:30 PM 2/14/2003 -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
>We are up to 1500 ready Rock throwing Demonstrators?
>
>do you believe that?
>
>If you do, you need to di some research on me...
>
>Ruben
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>On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:05:52AM +0000, Stanley A. Klein wrote:
>> At 10:41 PM 2/13/2003 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
>> > > None of our proposed actions criticize these speakers. (I have
>> >
>> > No? Just wait. Tony is in for a suprise next month.
>> >
>> >Are we talking about the same question? Are you saying you plan to
>> >criticize people simply for participating as speakers in the
>> >conference?
>> >
>> >I can support criticism of the conference organizers, but I don't
>> >think we should criticize people just for speaking there. We should
>> >treat them as potential supporters, not as enemies.
>>
>>
>> What I think he is talking about goes far beyond mere criticism. It sounds
>> to me like he is talking about bringing hundreds of people to the
>> conference to prevent the speakers from speaking and prevent people from
>> attending, or at least to make the attendees go through a gauntlet of
>> angry, shouting demonstrators.
>>
>> It sounds to me like he is talking about a smaller version of what happens
>> when the International Monetary Fund meets here, except there is enough
>> security to prevent the demonstrators from getting into the IMF meetings
>> and methods of getting the attendees in and out. I can imagine police
>> inside and outside the meeting hall, demonstrators being carried bodily out
>> of the meeting after disrupting the presentations, and police in riot gear
>> outside the conference center to deal with the demonstrators in the street.
>> Usually in such situations there are some demonstrators who have decided
>> to be arrested.
>>
>> This kind of thing happens on a large scale in DC typically once or twice a
>> year. I have no idea how often it happens on a smaller scale.
>>
>> That's what it sounds like to me. I would like to hear otherwise, but that
>> is not what the rhetoric implies.
>>
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