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| DATE | 2003-02-08 |
| FROM | bruce@perens.com (Bruce Perens)
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [hangout] Re: E-Gov-OS conference
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From: Ruben I Safir
> Probibly not. They certainly don't tolerate us at a Microsoft board meeting
Nor would we want them at the FSF board meeting. Do you get into that? I
don't. You should be comparing trade shows - and then trying to get to
do talks in those.
> > If we lock them out,
> > they will say, very publicly, "see, these folks won't let us tell
> > you the truth".
> >
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> Minimal risk after they have been conviicted twice of antotrust action.
Not everybody sees those trials in the same way as us. The fact that
they are still walking around makes many people think that they won the
case - de facto if not de jure.
This is really important. Can you put yourself in the head of the
unconverted? Richard absolutely can not. I feel it handicaps him as a
promoter. I try to do it - I think well. You need to be able to
understand the mind-set of someone who doesn't believe in us to
convert them.
> > If we disrupt their program, they'd say the same,
> > and also would point out that we were incapable of taking part in a
> > civilized political dialogue.
>
> Politics has little to do with dialogue? Where did YOU learn about politics?
> This statmemnt is almost devoid of reality. Do the Republics invite the Democrat
> to their national convention? Have youy EVER seen dialogue on a national debate?
I don't think you're responding to the question. The Democrats don't
disrupt the Republican's conference. If they did so, there'd never be
another coalition vote in congress. Instead, they each have their say,
one at a time. That's dialogue. Knocking your opponent off of the stage
is not.
> I would better expect such naivity from a Junior High School student then I would
> from one of the founders of the OSI.
Oh gee. Leave out the personal stuff, OK? This is also not conductive to dialogue.
> I've been involved with nearly 30 political campaigns [...] Not ONE involved a
> dialogue.
That's not the road I choose to take.
> You have to pick sides. Your either on their side or our side.
Those who are not for us, are against us! Don't you remember who it has
been that speaks that way?
> Name one major victory to in getting Free Software adopted in Government.
I can name about 100, mostly due to partnerships of Free Software and
business. Or, you can go to the E-Gov-OS program and hear about many of them.
I am not going to respond to the remander of your mail, because it's mostly
personalities.
Thanks
Bruce
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