MESSAGE
DATE | 2003-02-07 |
FROM | Ruben I Safir
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SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] egov sellout and protest
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Aside which, NYLXS doesn't generally join a group, it IS the group...
It has it's own membership. It is responsible only to that membership. And that membership is battle proven, trained, motivated, informed, and self-sustaining. I love it when people approach it as if they can run over it, or when they think they are above it. It's a responsible government and for that reason it is enduring, potent and vital. It belongs to it's membership and it serves the public. Don't be so damn condesending to it. It is offensive.
Tell your 'Kabal' or those supporting Tony that NYLXS will, as always, do what it thinks is best. And this problem with pandering to Microsoft at LWE and now this has begun to get our attention.
Ruben
> > Well, if NYLXS wishes to formally join the group that will attend and speak > > clearly and forcefully for freedom and against the lies of Microsoft, NYLXS > > will be welcome. > > > > oo--JS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus speaketh the CEO of the NY Times > > > >>No. Let us go and show our better stuff and point out to everyone the > > > gross lies of Microsoft. > > > > > > If we go the press will report what we say. Some reporters may partly fall > > > for some Microsoft lies, but if we do not go, almost every reporter will > > > present the worst, stupidest, and most vicious Microsoft lies as being > > > "simply the facts".<< > > > On 2003.02.06 22:11 Ruben I Safir wrote: > > > > > > > > This program is not being supported by the Free Software community and is currenly being boycotted > > > > > > > > > > > > See forwarded message: > > > > > > > > Fundementally, > > > > > > > > Both the Free Software Camp and the Open Source Camp are based on different > > > > views of what forge a Free Community of collaberators and users. While differences > > > > exist, which are substantial, and worthy debate, doesn't change the fact thay movements put > > > > community and people above code and systems. These systems must serve PEOPLE and the systems > > > > MUST encourge the enabling of individuals through the systems we create and use. > > > > > > > > Microsoft is an anti-competitive corperation GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY of destroying > > > > individuals and seperating them from the fruit of their work through unfair competitition > > > > and stiffling peoples right to innovation. Microsoft is DIRECTLY responsibly for undermining > > > > peoples right to innovate and compete in a free market. > > > > > > > > That company should have been decommissioned long ago for anti-trust activities, and I'll > > > > be damned if their blood should be on my hands. There objective is to destroy the community > > > > and it's really as simple as that. > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition, Microsoft has been negligent in their services and they have done huge damage > > > > to the economy and they threaten national security. Just last week they were solely responsible > > > > for nearly bringing the internet to a halt, doing seriou damage to Bank America and the national > > > > banking system. > > > > > > > > They should not have been allowed at LWE and they certainly shouldn't be allowed in any > > > > 'Open Source' or Free Software convention. > > > > > > > > I don't have enough starving qualified Free Software developers, business people and > > > > system administrators? But now I need to compete with an illegal monopoly at a convention > > > > designed to promote Free Software in Government!! > > > > > > > > WTF. > > > > > > > > Tony should be investigated for criminal activities in this regard, and the sesion SHOULD > > > > be boycotted. > > > > > > > > > > > > NY Fair Use supports a Boycott of this events and NYLXS is willing to support an active protest > > > > at the event of Tony and Microsoft. > > > > > > > > Ruben > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2003.02.06 18:28 David Sugar wrote: > > > > > > primary gripe is as David states the ideal that "shared source" is being > > > > > > put in a light that to people who are coming to learn about our community > > > > > > will simply think that its part of our community. When it clearly is not. > > > > > > On top of that there is little representation from the free software > > > > > > community which makes it even worse. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Derek > > > > > > > > > > Derek, yes, I that is precisely the issue that I found unacceptable in Tony's > > > > > conference, in that he is permitting Microsoft specifically to promote > > > > > "shared source" licensing as ethical equivilent to or as "another form" of > > > > > "Open Source" licensing, and by extension, related to Free Software, and > > > > > thereby gives it the appearence of ethical legitimacy that it does not > > > > > deserve. I thought shortening this a bit to what I found most relevant would > > > > > help Richard understand more clearly what has happened and what our concerns > > > > > are since I recall he got cc'd in the middle of an already very long thread > > > > > by Ruben and may have missed this. > > > > > > > > > > I know Ruben has additional concerns that are equally valid in regard to > > > > > Tony's eGovOS conference, in that it is also being used to commercially > > > > > promote OSS to governments (and in potential govt contracts) and that as a > > > > > result it will give the false impression that Microsoft Shared Source is > > > > > another OSS/FS license and perhaps also that there is no commercial > > > > > difference between free and propetary software. If I mistook anyone's view I > > > > > appologize, I was simply trying to summerize what I gathered from what I > > > > > heard for Richard to better follow what we are discussing. > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2003.02.06 19:38 Jacqueline McNally wrote: > > > > > Open Source for National and Local eGovernment Programs in the U.S. and EU > > > > > Washington, DC, USA, March. 17 - 19, 2003. > > > > > > > > > > "This conference is designed to discuss best practices, raise awareness and > > > > > the share experiences among policy makers from the U.S. and Europe. The > > > > > conference will draw participants from local, national and international > > > > > organizations from the public, private and academic sectors." > > > > > > > > > > Registration is free and preliminary agenda is available: > > > > > http://www.egovos.org/march-2003/index.html > > > > > > > > > > Any OOo people in Washington planning to go? It looks pretty full on with > > > > > lots of interesting speakers. > > > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > Jacqueline McNally > > > > > http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/users/zenryaku/ > > > > > > > > > > Community Contact, Australia/New Zealand > > > > > OpenOffice.org Marketing Project > > > > > (www.openoffice.org) > > > > > > > > > > Are you a computer angel? 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