MESSAGE
DATE | 2003-02-07 |
FROM | Ruben Safir
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SUBJECT | Subject: [hangout] egov sellout and protest
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Doubtful.
I don't run NYLXS anylonger
We'll probibly just have NY Fair Use organize a protest.
http://fairuse.nylxs.com
Reuvain
> > > > On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Ruben I Safir wrote: > > > > > > > I don't trust Tony. If we were to go down there, it would be to do a > > formal protest. > > > > Attacking powerful enemies to coat-tail on them is one of my favorite > > strategies, but I saw what happened at LWE expo and in should be our home > > turf and the rules are different. > > > > Their should have been protests at the Microsoft Booth at LWE, but I was > > too busy. Instead, IDG turned it into a MS PR event. > > > > Tony is doing the same thing, and it's my belief that Tony is on the take. > > > > > > Ruben > > Well, if NYLXS wishes to formally join the group that will attend and speak > clearly and forcefully for freedom and against the lies of Microsoft, NYLXS > will be welcome. > > oo--JS. > > > > > > > > Thus speaketh the CEO of the NY Times > > >>No. Let us go and show our better stuff and point out to everyone the > > gross lies of Microsoft. > > > > If we go the press will report what we say. Some reporters may partly fall > > for some Microsoft lies, but if we do not go, almost every reporter will > > present the worst, stupidest, and most vicious Microsoft lies as being > > "simply the facts".<< > > On 2003.02.06 22:11 Ruben I Safir wrote: > > > > > > This program is not being supported by the Free Software community and is currenly being boycotted > > > > > > > > > See forwarded message: > > > > > > Fundementally, > > > > > > Both the Free Software Camp and the Open Source Camp are based on different > > > views of what forge a Free Community of collaberators and users. While differences > > > exist, which are substantial, and worthy debate, doesn't change the fact thay movements put > > > community and people above code and systems. These systems must serve PEOPLE and the systems > > > MUST encourge the enabling of individuals through the systems we create and use. > > > > > > Microsoft is an anti-competitive corperation GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY of destroying > > > individuals and seperating them from the fruit of their work through unfair competitition > > > and stiffling peoples right to innovation. Microsoft is DIRECTLY responsibly for undermining > > > peoples right to innovate and compete in a free market. > > > > > > That company should have been decommissioned long ago for anti-trust activities, and I'll > > > be damned if their blood should be on my hands. There objective is to destroy the community > > > and it's really as simple as that. > > > > > > > > > In addition, Microsoft has been negligent in their services and they have done huge damage > > > to the economy and they threaten national security. Just last week they were solely responsible > > > for nearly bringing the internet to a halt, doing seriou damage to Bank America and the national > > > banking system. > > > > > > They should not have been allowed at LWE and they certainly shouldn't be allowed in any > > > 'Open Source' or Free Software convention. > > > > > > I don't have enough starving qualified Free Software developers, business people and > > > system administrators? But now I need to compete with an illegal monopoly at a convention > > > designed to promote Free Software in Government!! > > > > > > WTF. > > > > > > Tony should be investigated for criminal activities in this regard, and the sesion SHOULD > > > be boycotted. > > > > > > > > > NY Fair Use supports a Boycott of this events and NYLXS is willing to support an active protest > > > at the event of Tony and Microsoft. > > > > > > Ruben > > > > > > > > > On 2003.02.06 18:28 David Sugar wrote: > > > > > primary gripe is as David states the ideal that "shared source" is being > > > > > put in a light that to people who are coming to learn about our community > > > > > will simply think that its part of our community. When it clearly is not. > > > > > On top of that there is little representation from the free software > > > > > community which makes it even worse. > > > > > > > > > > -Derek > > > > > > > > Derek, yes, I that is precisely the issue that I found unacceptable in Tony's > > > > conference, in that he is permitting Microsoft specifically to promote > > > > "shared source" licensing as ethical equivilent to or as "another form" of > > > > "Open Source" licensing, and by extension, related to Free Software, and > > > > thereby gives it the appearence of ethical legitimacy that it does not > > > > deserve. I thought shortening this a bit to what I found most relevant would > > > > help Richard understand more clearly what has happened and what our concerns > > > > are since I recall he got cc'd in the middle of an already very long thread > > > > by Ruben and may have missed this. > > > > > > > > I know Ruben has additional concerns that are equally valid in regard to > > > > Tony's eGovOS conference, in that it is also being used to commercially > > > > promote OSS to governments (and in potential govt contracts) and that as a > > > > result it will give the false impression that Microsoft Shared Source is > > > > another OSS/FS license and perhaps also that there is no commercial > > > > difference between free and propetary software. If I mistook anyone's view I > > > > appologize, I was simply trying to summerize what I gathered from what I > > > > heard for Richard to better follow what we are discussing. > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2003.02.06 19:38 Jacqueline McNally wrote: > > > > Open Source for National and Local eGovernment Programs in the U.S. and EU > > > > Washington, DC, USA, March. 17 - 19, 2003. > > > > > > > > "This conference is designed to discuss best practices, raise awareness and > > > > the share experiences among policy makers from the U.S. and Europe. The > > > > conference will draw participants from local, national and international > > > > organizations from the public, private and academic sectors." > > > > > > > > Registration is free and preliminary agenda is available: > > > > http://www.egovos.org/march-2003/index.html > > > > > > > > Any OOo people in Washington planning to go? It looks pretty full on with > > > > lots of interesting speakers. > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > Jacqueline McNally > > > > http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/users/zenryaku/ > > > > > > > > Community Contact, Australia/New Zealand > > > > OpenOffice.org Marketing Project > > > > (www.openoffice.org) > > > > > > > > Are you a computer angel? 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