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DATE 2002-10-24
FROM Vin
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Free speech squeezed by copyrights?


http://zdnet.com.com/2102-1106-963122.html

Free speech squeezed by copyrights?
By Lisa M. Bowman
Special to ZDNet News
October 24, 2002, 4:00 AM PT


Rick Sanchez thought the bright folks at Mensa International would agree
that his Pets or Food Web site was a joke.

He was sure that the site's offers of "freshly clubbed" frozen baby seal
meat and "a dozen Doberman flank steaks for a Super Bowl party" were a dead
giveaway. If not, then surely the site's frisky description of fictional CEO
Sydney Zwibel--a "former animal disposal technician," Mensa member and
alternate member of the 1984 Olympic Fencing Team--smacked of parody.

So he was astonished to get a letter from Mensa this summer, addressed not
to him but to his imaginary character, saying Zwibel's use of the group's
trademark without permission could result in "civil and criminal penalties."

"I was pretty stunned actually that Mensa, which is supposed to be a group
of smart people, would send me this letter," Sanchez said. "Obviously, Sydney
didn't exist in their rolls. He didn't exist." Web publishers have long been
targets of zealous copyright and trademark holders, but free speech advocates
say intellectual property owners these days are more aggressively training
their legal guns on both small one-man-band Web sites and the Internet
service providers (ISPs) that host or link to them, hoping to get pages or
material removed.

In recent years, intellectual property holders have expanded their efforts
to deep linking and metatags. Now they're pursuing search services,
pay-for-play sites and Web libraries. Last month, the Church of Scientology
sent a letter to the Internet Archive, persuading the site to pull down
archived pages that were critical of the church's beliefs.

Copyright holders also have gained additional ammunition to demand removal
of material. The 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)--designed to
update copyright laws in the digital age and assuage piracy fears--carved out
protections for ISPs that remove alleged violations when asked, but didn't
require them to notify the site operator or to judge whether the claim is
legitimate. The ISPs sought the protections so they wouldn't be liable for
policing their system.

Although the process protects ISPs, it means many sites just mysteriously
disappear without any determination of whether the pages actually violate
copyrights. Free speech advocates also fear that many companies and
organizations are trying to shoehorn their trademark claims into DMCA claims
in the hopes of persuading ISPs to quickly take down the sites.

"We're seeing a trend toward more aggressive protection of (intellectual
property) rights," David Schnapf, an attorney with Coudert Brothers, said.
"Perhaps the forces that are there to protect fair use rights or
dissemination of information currently aren't as aggressive or strong to
bring a greater balance to the Web."

No choice?
Those sending the letters say they're only trying to protect their rights
amid the untamed and untested legal waters of the Web.

"The Internet offers new and different threats to our corporate identities
and our individual identities," said Jim Blackmore, national marketing
director of Mensa International.

The group doesn't have a problem with fictional characters claiming
membership in the organization--both Lisa Simpson and the blue Power Ranger
are approved Mensa members, Blackmore said. Mensa went after the Pets or Food
site because the group pursues those who defame or abuse its trademark, he
said.

"We did not want to be associated with this man's ravings," Blackmore said.

They may have to put up with them just the same. After consulting his
attorney, Sanchez decided to keep up the site--Mensa mention and all.

Free speech advocates are hoping that Web operators across the globe will
take a page from Sanchez and refuse to back down in these copyright
situations, even in the face of ever more forceful pressure.

To counter the trend toward more aggressive enforcement, free speech
advocates are trying to publicize the claims in the hopes that people will
question them.

When Sanchez received Mensa's letter, he forwarded it to the
Chillingeffects.org site. Launched in February by the Electronic Freedom
Foundation and legal clinics at several prominent law schools, the site
provides a clearinghouse where people can forward cease-and-desist letters
and learn more about copyright and trademark law.

Its backers hope that posting letters like Sanchez's will embolden others to
stand up for their free speech rights instead of immediately pulling their
material in the face of a frightening legal threat that may not hold up in
court. The letters are annotated by law school students who translate the
legalese into plain English and remove personal information.

Chillingeffects founder Wendy Seltzer said the project grew out of the sense
that many legitimate sites were being shut down by legal threats. People who
don't have legal training or lots of money often back down when they receive
threatening letters from lawyers, she said. She hopes Chillingeffects, at the
very least, will inspire people to analyze such letters to see if they're
legally viable rather than just pulling content.

A chilling effect?
"We want to help people understand their legal rights," Seltzer said.

The legal clinics also plan to gather and analyze data from the letters to
see if companies are overstepping their rights and trying to frighten people
out of posting critical or negative material.

"Certainly, what we've seen so far has borne out our concerns," said
Jennifer Urban, a fellow at the University of California at Berkeley's Boalt
Hall School of Law who works on the Chillingeffects.org project. "Some sites
that shouldn't come down are coming down. That could have serious
implications for the Internet."

The law school clinics hosted by schools such as Harvard University,
Stanford University and U.C. Berkeley, plan to examine the various legal
arguments--perhaps as fodder for challenging new digital copyright laws that
some say go to far.

One of the cease-and-desist recipients could eventually provide a test case
to challenge some of the new laws, or the Chillingeffects organizers could
present the data directly to lawmakers.

The site even has a deal with Google, which forwards all of its DMCA
cease-and-desist letters to Chillingeffects for public posting.

Chillingeffects organizers praise Google for bucking the trend of removing
Web pages without a trace. In addition to forwarding the letters, Google also
notifies customers when they've received a letter about their sites.

"We wanted to make the process more transparent," said Kulpreet Rana,
Google's director of legal affairs. "Our purpose is to help people find
information."

If a page has been taken down, Google displays a notice at the bottom of its
search page, saying it has been removed in response to a complaint from a
copyright holder

Rana said some of the disputed pages clearly violate copyright laws, but
most fall into a gray area. The effects of the partnership are still unclear,
however. Google hasn't noticed an increase or decrease in the number of
letters it's received since the company began posting the letters eight
months ago, Rana said.

No measurable effect
Overall, the efforts of Chillingeffects and others to make such letters
public doesn't seem to be tempering the habits of those who send them, say
intellectual property attorneys.

"There's not enough visibility," said Schnapf, the Coudert Brothers
attorney. "For every letter that shows up, there are 100 letters that don't.
It's not an important part of the equation."

What's more, tech-savvy attorneys have been writing letters for years as if
they would show up on the Web eventually.

"Chillingeffects is simply accelerating an already existing trend to be
careful about what you write and to assume whatever you write is likely to
show up on the Web somewhere," said Mark Radcliffe, an intellectual property
attorney at Gray Cary Ware & Freidenrich. "It can be very embarrassing if
you're too aggressive."

Indeed, some intellectual property owners have found that out the hard way.

Warner Bros. incurred the wrath of Harry Potter lovers worldwide when it
sent a letter to Claire Field, the 15-year-old owner of a Harry Potter fan
site, ordering her to take the site down because it allegedly infringed the
company's intellectual property rights.

Field made the claims public, and supporters rallied around her. The company
eventually reversed its position and allowed Field to keep the site as long
as she didn't try to make money off it.

In another case, Sony was attacked for pursuing a fan of its Aibo robotic
dog. The fan set up a site showing people how to tinker with the dog so it
would dance. Sony eventually called off its lawyers under protest from Aibo
fans, who read about the dispute on Web sites.

Meanwhile, Sanchez plans to keep up his Pets or Food fight, inspired in part
by others who've stuck to their guns. If he doesn't come out on top of legal
battles, he has another plan: Sanchez is in the process of taking the Mensa
test, so the group can't dispute claims he's a member.

"I want to get in," he said.

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  92. 2002-10-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Fre Software Chambers of Commerce Pages up
  93. 2002-10-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Much interesting news today in the Times
  94. 2002-10-13 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Don't forget to take the images
  95. 2002-10-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Don't forget to take the images
  96. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Perl Quiz of the Week [dha-at-panix.com]
  97. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Don't forget to take the images [casandra-at-ix.netcom.com]
  98. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS 1st Aniversity
  99. 2002-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ari Jort article for journal
  100. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] INIT problem
  101. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] There is a lesson here somewhere...
  102. 2002-10-12 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Re: the schedule of the demo
  103. 2002-10-11 From: "Mahesh Chhatlani" <chhatlani-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] India moving to Linux
  104. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter
  105. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [root-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  106. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS - Free Software Chamber of Commerce
  107. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS - Free Software Chamber of Commerce
  108. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [syscon-at-telusplanet.net: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried?]
  109. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [syscon-at-telusplanet.net: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried?]
  110. 2002-10-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried? [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  111. 2002-10-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried? [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  112. 2002-10-15 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  113. 2002-10-15 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  114. 2002-10-15 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  115. 2002-10-15 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  116. 2002-10-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  117. 2002-10-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  118. 2002-10-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  119. 2002-10-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  120. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What the hell
  121. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What the hell
  122. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What the hell
  123. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What the hell
  124. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS.NET
  125. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us
  126. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  127. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us
  128. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  129. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Demo Volunteers needed this Week and Next
  130. 2002-10-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us
  131. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us
  132. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter
  133. 2002-10-16 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter
  134. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter
  135. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  136. 2002-10-16 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  137. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  138. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLUG Meeting tonite
  139. 2002-10-16 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  140. 2002-10-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  141. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Call for Volunteers
  142. 2002-10-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  143. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  144. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  145. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  146. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Call for Volunteers
  147. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  148. 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  149. 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Call for Volunteers
  150. 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  151. 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  152. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Kmail client question
  153. 2002-10-17 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Kmail client question
  154. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Kmail client question
  155. 2002-10-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  156. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  157. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  158. 2002-10-17 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Hangout Problem Update
  159. 2002-10-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  160. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  161. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  162. 2002-10-17 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  163. 2002-10-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  164. 2002-10-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  165. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  166. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  167. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] quick confirmation: Bloomberg terminals run on Linux?
  168. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Publicity
  169. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Publicity
  170. 2002-10-17 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  171. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  172. 2002-10-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  173. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  174. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  175. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] problem with reply-to being changed, another Kmail question
  176. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity-College Student help needed
  177. 2002-10-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] problem with reply-to being changed, another Kmail question
  178. 2002-10-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Nov class flyers
  179. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  180. 2002-10-17 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Hangout Problem Update
  181. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  182. 2002-10-17 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  183. 2002-10-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  184. 2002-10-17 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  185. 2002-10-17 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  186. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  187. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  188. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  189. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  190. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  191. 2002-10-17 Joe Villari <joev-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] The Class
  192. 2002-10-17 Joe Villari <joev-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] The Class
  193. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Class
  194. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The DMCA - Wall Street Loves it
  195. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Good News...
  196. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyer Sunday?
  197. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal
  198. 2002-10-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  199. 2002-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  200. 2002-10-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] The Class
  201. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Class
  202. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Journal
  203. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Journal
  204. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Marco
  205. 2002-10-18 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  206. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Demo Transportation
  207. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  208. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Demo Transportation
  209. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  210. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  211. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  212. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Call for Volunteers
  213. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  214. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  215. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  216. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC and usiness advocay
  217. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Buttons
  218. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] transportation
  219. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] transportation
  220. 2002-10-18 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  221. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] transportation
  222. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] fsccfortbeDemo
  223. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] transportation
  224. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  225. 2002-10-18 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  226. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  227. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Putting up Flyer For the Demo
  228. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Good news and great news!
  229. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] F*** Wynkoop et al
  230. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  231. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  232. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Busy Week for NYLXS
  233. 2002-10-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Good news and great news!
  234. 2002-10-19 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  235. 2002-10-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  236. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  237. 2002-10-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU Bayonne key telephone system to be exhibited next week
  238. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: GNU Bayonne key telephone system to be exhibited next week [dyfet-at-ostel.com]
  239. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What day for Network Meetings?
  240. 2002-10-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Followup Action to Congressman Weiner's Meeting last month
  241. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Project Management Software
  242. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Citocorp at 12 Noon
  243. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Double Cursor/Pointer with X11 V4
  244. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Free Software Expo LaGuardia College
  245. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re:Demo
  246. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Project Management Software [bingalls-at-fit-zones.com]
  247. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Wed Oct 23 GNU/Linux Business Demo - info pages
  248. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] NYLXS Events for Today
  249. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYNMA Announcement
  250. 2002-10-20 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: palladium presentation - anyone going? (fwd)
  251. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Monday 21 October 2002 NYLXS In-Service: Billy Donahue on Joys and Perils of Programming with C and Tcl
  252. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dot Org Pavillion in NYC
  253. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Birds of a Feather
  254. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] JOURNAL BY THE DEMO?
  255. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com]
  256. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC]
  257. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC]
  258. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com]
  259. 2002-10-21 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com]
  260. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: postgresql (SuSE-SA:2002:038) [thomas-at-suse.de]
  261. 2002-10-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Monday 21 October 2002 NYLXS In-Service: Billy Donahue on Joys and Perils of Programming with C and Tcl
  262. 2002-10-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  263. 2002-10-21 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  264. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paper
  265. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  266. 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  267. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  268. 2002-10-21 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar
  269. 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar
  270. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: GNU/Linux within the New York City School System | Was: Re: [hangout] cablevision
  271. 2002-10-21 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Still the Free Software Demo Mislabeled...
  272. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  273. 2002-10-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia Still the Free Software Demo Mislabeled...
  274. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar
  275. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar
  276. 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  277. 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  278. 2002-10-21 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  279. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [oberdorf-at-earthlink.net: ny lxs]
  280. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tonites Meeting
  281. 2002-10-22 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNU/Linux within the New York City School System | Was: Re: [hangout] cablevision
  282. 2002-10-22 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [nylug-talk] 15' monitors (3 of them): free!
  283. 2002-10-22 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] the demo schedule
  284. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the demo schedule
  285. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the demo schedule
  286. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paper
  287. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IRC Board Meeting on Thusday Nite 8:00PM
  288. 2002-10-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] the demo schedule
  289. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the demo schedule
  290. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [nylug-talk] 15' monitors (3 of them): free!
  291. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Calendar Item for NYLXS
  292. 2002-10-22 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fair Use
  293. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fair Use
  294. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fair Use
  295. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fair Use
  296. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Publicity
  297. 2002-10-22 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] the demo schedule
  298. 2002-10-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] the demo schedule
  299. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Set up tonite
  300. 2002-10-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Prelimnary Journal for September issue
  301. 2002-10-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Demo Today - Expect the Press
  302. 2002-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [learn] NO PERL CLASS TODAY]
  303. 2002-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Cut Credit Card Debt - No Loan !
  304. 2002-10-23 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Demo Publicity post mortem
  305. 2002-10-23 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] CUNY and Queens Business Partners
  306. 2002-10-23 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Recent spam
  307. 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] we have some competition...
  308. 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] we have some competition...
  309. 2002-10-23 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] we have some competition...
  310. 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded software
  311. 2002-10-23 From: "William Brent" <wbrent-at-finepoint.com> RE: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded software
  312. 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded soft ware
  313. 2002-10-23 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Washington State Congressman attempts to outlaw GPL
  314. 2002-10-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: Mac OS X under the hood class
  315. 2002-10-23 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Re: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded software
  316. 2002-10-24 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Congratulations to all NYLXSers!
  317. 2002-10-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for Ruben (Whats going on with the mail list?)
  318. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Looking for Ruben (Whats going on with the mail list?)
  319. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  320. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election [Ross.Patterson-at-catchfs.com]
  321. 2002-10-24 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Band Can't Sell Own Music on EBay
  322. 2002-10-24 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Mac OS X under the hood class
  323. 2002-10-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  324. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  325. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  326. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Install Feast
  327. 2002-10-24 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Free speech squeezed by copyrights?
  328. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Our Second Demo/Thanks Everyone
  329. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Band Can't Sell Own Music on EBay
  330. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free speech squeezed by copyrights?
  331. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Members addresses
  332. 2002-10-24 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Board Members addresses
  333. 2002-10-24 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Non profit Potential project
  334. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Non profit Potential project
  335. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Members addresses
  336. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  337. 2002-10-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ Free Software Chamber of Commerce ] Network Meeting - 12 No on in Midtown
  338. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  339. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  340. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  341. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] R&M Confference Room
  342. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  343. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  344. 2002-10-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  345. 2002-10-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] HTPC Hardware
  346. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Merck & Co. seeks RedHat Linux Administrator
  347. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  348. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: NYC Workforce Training Provider Unit Contact Information (WTPL) [cmorris-at-doe.nyc.gov]
  349. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] dd correct for copying an iso image to hard disk?
  350. 2002-10-31 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  351. 2002-10-31 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  352. 2002-10-31 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  353. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  354. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  355. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  356. 2002-10-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  357. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  358. 2002-10-31 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  359. 2002-10-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  360. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  361. 2002-10-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  362. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New SuSE Linux OS to run Office 2000, other Windows apps
  363. 2002-10-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] New SuSE Linux OS to run Office 2000, other Windows apps
  364. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Libral Arts and Computers
  365. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] user nobody
  366. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] user nobody
  367. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] Supported Distributions [draht-at-suse.de]
  368. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] user nobody
  369. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards
  370. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards
  371. 2002-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards
  372. 2002-10-30 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards
  373. 2002-10-30 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Javits Expo
  374. 2002-10-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Javits Expo
  375. 2002-10-30 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Javits Expo
  376. 2002-10-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Javits Expo
  377. 2002-10-30 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Javits Expo
  378. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [nylug-talk] Nerds without CS degrees unite!]
  379. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] what are the email addresses of orgs for spam and virii?
  380. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] It was supposed to make everything look the same
  381. 2002-10-29 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] It was supposed to make everything look the same
  382. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] It was supposed to make everything look the same
  383. 2002-10-29 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux World Expo
  384. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tzedik
  385. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  386. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Schools Project
  387. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Proticals of Ziob
  388. 2002-10-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Thurday Nite?
  389. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR for Installfest
  390. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] WE NEED EDITORS
  391. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR for Installfest
  392. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PR for Installfest
  393. 2002-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Demo Post Mortom/Board Meeting
  394. 2002-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Video Broadcasting and KIOSKS
  395. 2002-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  396. 2002-10-28 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> RE: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  397. 2002-10-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  398. 2002-10-28 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  399. 2002-10-28 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  400. 2002-10-28 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  401. 2002-10-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  402. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  403. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Is Microsoft Licensing Forcing Banks to Break The Law?
  404. 2002-10-28 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] HTPC hardware
  405. 2002-10-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New NY Fair Use Front Page Design
  406. 2002-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: All Day 16 November 2002 Wynn Data Limited Class: Mac OS X Under The Hood
  407. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] looking for a tech consulting group
  408. 2002-10-25 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Expo at the Javitz Center
  409. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Expo at the Javitz Center
  410. 2002-10-25 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Looking for...
  411. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  412. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  413. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  414. 2002-10-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  415. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for...
  416. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  417. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RE: NYLXS Trade mark [humphusa-at-netscape.net]
  418. 2002-10-25 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  419. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  420. 2002-10-31 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Suse 8.0 disks for installfest
  421. 2002-10-31 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] dd correct for copying an iso image to hard disk?

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