MESSAGE
| DATE | 2002-08-23 |
| FROM | Ruben I Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
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Mike
Are you coming to Brooklyn on Saturday?
Ruben
On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 04:37:09PM -0400, Michael E. George wrote:
> Ruben,
> You sound more frustrated than anything else. You are trying to move too fast.
> Time and Consistency are the key.
> Give this situation some time to heal itself.
>
> I'll call you Sunday.
>
> Mike E.
>
> Michael Richardson wrote:
>
> > Your 4 points I agree with but I think they are in reverse order.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jay Sulzberger [mailto:jays-at-panix.com]
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:53 PM
> > To: Michael Richardson
> > Cc: 'fairuse-at-mrbrklyn.com'; Joe Grastara; hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com;
> > fairuse-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com; Jay Sulzberger
> > Subject: RE: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Michael Richardson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Maybe the range is too broad.
> >
> > I do not think the proposed range of NYLXS too broad. I believe that the
> > broad strategy of NYLXS is sound. I also believe that the present problems
> > are minor, but real. I believe that NYLXS will weather the present
> > squalls. But effective action must be taken. That means that methods
> > which have not worked should be identified and not used any more. Methods
> > that have worked should be identified and used, if appropriate.
> >
> > NYLXS needs:
> >
> > 1. money
> >
> > 2. members
> >
> > 3. a fine Net connection
> >
> > 4. a bit more solid organization
> >
> > NYLXS can do stuff in its present state, but not as much as it should be
> > doing.
> >
> > NYLXSERS! DO NOT DESPAIR! WE WILL FIGHT AND WE WILL WIN!
> >
> > oo--JS.
> >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ruben Safir [mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:15 PM
> > > To: Joe Grastara
> > > Cc: Ruben I Safir; hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com; fairuse-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com
> > > Subject: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well
> > >
> > > this might be the case and is one reason I'm considering closing it down.
> > >
> > > It's my feeling that we've had a broad range of oppurtunities to expand
> > > both business and persoanal oppurtunities. But things need consentrated
> > > efforts. Often we get people who volunteer and then when they see the
> > > level of work needed to obtain the goal, then they disapear.
> > >
> > > If it can't happen it can't happen.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ruben
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 11:54:41AM -0400, Joe Grastara wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Most likely this is because the goals of the membership are the same as
> > > > the goals of the organization.
> > > > One set of goals has to conform to the other or nothing will get done,
> > > > as is now the case.
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 02:49 AM, Ruben I Safir wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm becoming increasingly distressed as we now move into the late
> > summer
> > > > >about some of the latest developments I see in NYLXS and NY Fair Use.
> > > > >Whie it seems that there are now even greater calls for activities by
> > > > >both organizations, commitments and fund raising efforts are stalling
> > do
> > > > >to
> > > > >a basic failure of people to live up to their obligations which they
> > > > >commit to.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >When I envisioned NYLXS, I wanted to create a truely healthy and
> > > > >balanced organization. Unlike NY Fair Use, I felt we needed an
> > > > >organization which
> > > > >is capable of providing a wide variety of needs for our membership by
> > > > >providing everyone a venue to practice your trade, become educated,
> > join
> > > > >with
> > > > >others in marketing and promoting, and provide funding for political
> > > > >discourse. For whatever reason, it's not coming together now and I
> > > > >think some people
> > > > >have the wrong idea about the thrust of NYLXS.
> > > > >
> > > > >NYLXS is not at it's core a political organization. It's a self help
> > > > >organization designed to energize the community and provide a
> > foundation
> > > > >for
> > > > >individuals to develop their person, socially, politically and
> > > > >economically... not necessarily in that order.
> > > > >
> > > > >In order for our political machine to function, we need to be funded.
> > > > >This funding is critical to our ability to accomplish the promotion of
> > > > >Free Software. I need everyone to take their obligations seriously for
> > > > >everyones benefit.
> > > > >
> > > > >Something as simple as the organization of our party is JUST NOT BEING
> > > > >DONE.
> > > > >
> > > > >I'll tell you guys something. This is the EASIEST thing in the world
> > to
> > > > >organization. We're just gonna go out on the water,
> > > > >listen to music, donate a few bucks of the orgnaization, and DRINK.
> > > > >What is so damn hard. I expect results on this by Monday
> > > > >or I'm going to close the organization. I'll finish out the last class
> > > > >and we're done. We'll NEVER get the damn dinner up and
> > > > >running by October with invitations, and then we'll never get the
> > > > >building, never get the enrollment for the classes, and never
> > > > >be able to fund any more outreach to High Schools or trips to
> > > > >Washington.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >And those of us who slapped ourselves on the back about how well we did
> > > > >in DC a few weeks back. Shame on YOU ALL. A proposal
> > > > >went out on a letter writing campaign and aside from the THREE I wrote,
> > > > >not a single other letter went out. Instead, we're playing
> > > > >the stupid game of PAss the god damn buck.
> > > > >
> > > > >Oh - Let's run to Washington for the FCC. Oh - Let's organize an
> > > > >umbrella organization so more people can complain about not doing
> > > > >anything, but on even more issues.
> > > > >
> > > > >I got an idea, let's go visit WWWACS and show them all how smart we
> > are.
> > > > >
> > > > >Foey.
> > > > >
> > > > >The single biggest thing NY Fair Use needs now is an infussion of funds
> > > > >and a focus on following up our break through by writing
> > > > >Berman about the hacking Bill, EMPHASISING DRM IS THEFT, and WE ARE THE
> > > > >STAKEHOLDER.
> > > > >
> > > > >That's what's needed right now. Screw EVERYTHING ELSE.
> > > > >
> > > > >There is always SOME EXCUSE. Everyone has one.
> > > > >
> > > > >We need to get that Queens Demo up, and I need people ON THIS NOW. WE
> > > > >NEED MORE JOBS, and ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. We need it TODAY.
> > > > >Homeless people make poor advocates. We need to start a regular
> > > > >networking meeting for our consultants to swap jobs and run down leads.
> > > > >
> > > > >If anyone has work, we need to get people on IT.
> > > > >
> > > > >We need that DESKTOP Training Program, and our accounting Desktop.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm sick of asking everyone again and again to get things done, and to
> > > > >watch project afte rproject Die.
> > > > >
> > > > >What happened to our Open Office initiative? Why don't I have a whole
> > > > >website on our development of this.
> > > > >
> > > > >And on and on. And Jay can just pipe down now, because specific
> > > > >INDIVIDUALS have been assinged every one of these
> > > > >tasks. You guys are just letting eachother down. And it's rippling
> > > > >through us now in terms of real dollars and cents.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I want committee member reports by the end of this next week with
> > > > >complete
> > > > >explanation of what your committees have done, and a plan for getting
> > > > >MORE DONE.
> > > > >
> > > > >Any I want everyone to post your phone numbers for other members to get
> > > > >a hold of you,
> > > > >but not to the list. Sne d it to me and I'll send the to the
> > > > >membership.
> > > > >
> > > > >This is WHY WE NEED the boat trip. It's needed for Comradery and to
> > > > >make it easier to
> > > > >work together.
> > > > >
> > > > >Ruben
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--
> > > > >__________________________
> > > > >
> > > > >Brooklyn Linux Solutions
> > > > >__________________________
> > > > >http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
> > > > >http://www.nylxs.com/radio - Free Software Radio Show and Archives
> > > > >http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn
> > > > >http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > > > >http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy
> > > > >http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and
> > > > >articles from around the net
> > > > >http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/dr.mp3 - Imagine my surprise when I saw
> > > > >you...
> > > > >http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown
> > > > >Brooklyn....
> > > > >
> > > > >1-718-382-5752
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >____________________________
> > > > >New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> > > > >Fair Use -
> > > > >because it's either fair use or useless....
> > > >
> > > > ____________________________
> > > > New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> > > > Fair Use -
> > > > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > >
> > > --
> > > __________________________
> > >
> > > Brooklyn Linux Solutions
> > > __________________________
> > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
> > > http://www.nylxs.com/radio - Free Software Radio Show and Archives
> > > http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn
> > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > > http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy
> > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and
> > > articles from around the net
> > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/dr.mp3 - Imagine my surprise when I saw
> > you...
> > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn....
> > >
> > > 1-718-382-5752
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To stop the messages from coming see
> > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/appl/fairuse/gone.html
> > > ____________________________
> > > New Yorkers for Fair Use -
> > > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > > To stop the messages from coming see
> > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/appl/fairuse/gone.html
> > > ____________________________
> > > New Yorkers for Fair Use -
> > > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > >
> > >
> > ____________________________
> > New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> > Fair Use -
> > because it's either fair use or useless....
>
>
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