MESSAGE
| DATE | 2002-08-10 |
| FROM | Ruben I Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
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Money may be the leaste of the issues from your POV, but I'm
the one who picks up a lot of the expenses, and I've reached the point of
being broke.
Consider just the cost of the Network access which has been some fraction of
$300.00 a month for the last 10 months.
And that conference room we teach at, that cost money and has been funded by
Joe Maffia.
Money is the first, absolute issue we have, and is central to what we need
to do to reach our goals, including getting a permanent location.
That will easily be between 1,200 - 2000 a month, but gives us in return
a permant teaching facility, and training location, and it's a resource of
members for their business goals, thereby strengthening the membership.
It also pays for political campaigns. Our ability to PAY our way has been the
single largest factor which has seperated us from other groups.
When we want to do something, we just do it. And We would likely have much
less of a membership problem with we had a permanent location to hack away,
meet for workshops, etc.
Ruben
On 2002.08.09 16:20 Michael Richardson wrote:
>
> point 1.Money is the lease of our problems whether we have any or not the
> other problems will still pervade the group(s).
>
> point 2.Our membership is too low for what is being asked of it. (burnout)
>
> point 3.If we cannot be found on the web we might as well go home.
>
> point 4.It helps if we all are here for the same goal. I do not think we
> are. WHAT IS THE GOAL ANYWAY?
> (There is a story about a train trouble shooter who was sent to find out
> why a section of track was taking a long time to lay. When asked the
> foreman of the track layers said we are laying track so the train can
> travel, on it. one worker said I am here because I need the job. another
> workers said I needed to get away from my wife. the third worker said I
> wanted to hangout with my friends. The fourth worker said foods good. and
> so on. When the trouble shooter finally got everyone to agree that they
> were there to lay the track the track got laid very quickly.
> point 4A. What methods are to be used to achieve a more solid organization?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Richardson [mailto:MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:57 PM
> To: 'Jay Sulzberger'
> Cc: Joe Grastara; hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com; fairuse-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com
> Subject: RE: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
>
>
>
>
> Your 4 points I agree with but I think they are in reverse order.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Sulzberger [mailto:jays-at-panix.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:53 PM
> To: Michael Richardson
> Cc: 'fairuse-at-mrbrklyn.com'; Joe Grastara; hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com;
> fairuse-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com; Jay Sulzberger
> Subject: RE: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Michael Richardson wrote:
>
> >
> > Maybe the range is too broad.
>
> I do not think the proposed range of NYLXS too broad. I believe that the
> broad strategy of NYLXS is sound. I also believe that the present problems
> are minor, but real. I believe that NYLXS will weather the present
> squalls. But effective action must be taken. That means that methods
> which have not worked should be identified and not used any more. Methods
> that have worked should be identified and used, if appropriate.
>
> NYLXS needs:
>
> 1. money
>
> 2. members
>
> 3. a fine Net connection
>
> 4. a bit more solid organization
>
> NYLXS can do stuff in its present state, but not as much as it should be
> doing.
>
> NYLXSERS! DO NOT DESPAIR! WE WILL FIGHT AND WE WILL WIN!
>
> oo--JS.
>
>
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ruben Safir [mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:15 PM
> > To: Joe Grastara
> > Cc: Ruben I Safir; hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com; fairuse-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com
> > Subject: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
> >
> >
> >
> > Well
> >
> > this might be the case and is one reason I'm considering closing it down.
> >
> > It's my feeling that we've had a broad range of oppurtunities to expand
> > both business and persoanal oppurtunities. But things need consentrated
> > efforts. Often we get people who volunteer and then when they see the
> > level of work needed to obtain the goal, then they disapear.
> >
> > If it can't happen it can't happen.
> >
> >
> > Ruben
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 11:54:41AM -0400, Joe Grastara wrote:
> > >
> > > Most likely this is because the goals of the membership are the same as
> > > the goals of the organization.
> > > One set of goals has to conform to the other or nothing will get done,
> > > as is now the case.
> > >
> > > On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 02:49 AM, Ruben I Safir wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >I'm becoming increasingly distressed as we now move into the late
> summer
> > > >about some of the latest developments I see in NYLXS and NY Fair Use.
> > > >Whie it seems that there are now even greater calls for activities by
> > > >both organizations, commitments and fund raising efforts are stalling
> do
> > > >to
> > > >a basic failure of people to live up to their obligations which they
> > > >commit to.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >When I envisioned NYLXS, I wanted to create a truely healthy and
> > > >balanced organization. Unlike NY Fair Use, I felt we needed an
> > > >organization which
> > > >is capable of providing a wide variety of needs for our membership by
> > > >providing everyone a venue to practice your trade, become educated,
> join
> > > >with
> > > >others in marketing and promoting, and provide funding for political
> > > >discourse. For whatever reason, it's not coming together now and I
> > > >think some people
> > > >have the wrong idea about the thrust of NYLXS.
> > > >
> > > >NYLXS is not at it's core a political organization. It's a self help
> > > >organization designed to energize the community and provide a
> foundation
> > > >for
> > > >individuals to develop their person, socially, politically and
> > > >economically... not necessarily in that order.
> > > >
> > > >In order for our political machine to function, we need to be funded.
> > > >This funding is critical to our ability to accomplish the promotion of
> > > >Free Software. I need everyone to take their obligations seriously for
> > > >everyones benefit.
> > > >
> > > >Something as simple as the organization of our party is JUST NOT BEING
> > > >DONE.
> > > >
> > > >I'll tell you guys something. This is the EASIEST thing in the world
> to
> > > >organization. We're just gonna go out on the water,
> > > >listen to music, donate a few bucks of the orgnaization, and DRINK.
> > > >What is so damn hard. I expect results on this by Monday
> > > >or I'm going to close the organization. I'll finish out the last class
> > > >and we're done. We'll NEVER get the damn dinner up and
> > > >running by October with invitations, and then we'll never get the
> > > >building, never get the enrollment for the classes, and never
> > > >be able to fund any more outreach to High Schools or trips to
> > > >Washington.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >And those of us who slapped ourselves on the back about how well we did
> > > >in DC a few weeks back. Shame on YOU ALL. A proposal
> > > >went out on a letter writing campaign and aside from the THREE I wrote,
> > > >not a single other letter went out. Instead, we're playing
> > > >the stupid game of PAss the god damn buck.
> > > >
> > > >Oh - Let's run to Washington for the FCC. Oh - Let's organize an
> > > >umbrella organization so more people can complain about not doing
> > > >anything, but on even more issues.
> > > >
> > > >I got an idea, let's go visit WWWACS and show them all how smart we
> are.
> > > >
> > > >Foey.
> > > >
> > > >The single biggest thing NY Fair Use needs now is an infussion of funds
> > > >and a focus on following up our break through by writing
> > > >Berman about the hacking Bill, EMPHASISING DRM IS THEFT, and WE ARE THE
> > > >STAKEHOLDER.
> > > >
> > > >That's what's needed right now. Screw EVERYTHING ELSE.
> > > >
> > > >There is always SOME EXCUSE. Everyone has one.
> > > >
> > > >We need to get that Queens Demo up, and I need people ON THIS NOW. WE
> > > >NEED MORE JOBS, and ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. We need it TODAY.
> > > >Homeless people make poor advocates. We need to start a regular
> > > >networking meeting for our consultants to swap jobs and run down leads.
> > > >
> > > >If anyone has work, we need to get people on IT.
> > > >
> > > >We need that DESKTOP Training Program, and our accounting Desktop.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I'm sick of asking everyone again and again to get things done, and to
> > > >watch project afte rproject Die.
> > > >
> > > >What happened to our Open Office initiative? Why don't I have a whole
> > > >website on our development of this.
> > > >
> > > >And on and on. And Jay can just pipe down now, because specific
> > > >INDIVIDUALS have been assinged every one of these
> > > >tasks. You guys are just letting eachother down. And it's rippling
> > > >through us now in terms of real dollars and cents.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I want committee member reports by the end of this next week with
> > > >complete
> > > >explanation of what your committees have done, and a plan for getting
> > > >MORE DONE.
> > > >
> > > >Any I want everyone to post your phone numbers for other members to get
> > > >a hold of you,
> > > >but not to the list. Sne d it to me and I'll send the to the
> > > >membership.
> > > >
> > > >This is WHY WE NEED the boat trip. It's needed for Comradery and to
> > > >make it easier to
> > > >work together.
> > > >
> > > >Ruben
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
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> > > >
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> > > >
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> >
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> > articles from around the net
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> you...
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> ____________________________
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> ____________________________
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>
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__________________________
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http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
http://www.nylxs.com/radio - Free Software Radio Show and Archives
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http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/dr.mp3 - Imagine my surprise when I saw you...
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1-718-382-5752
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