MESSAGE
| DATE | 2002-02-27 |
| FROM | alex@pilosoft.com
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] SNA Borough Hall Proposal
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SNA is IBM mainframish suite of protocol. Think TCP for mainframe.
(System Networking Architecture).
-alex
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Ruben I Safir wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a Free Software SNA appliance
>
> What IS SNA. SAMBA has something, but the website seems to be down.
>
> Ruben
>
> On 2002.02.27 13:19 Michael Richardson wrote:
> >
> > No Applix. I am at work. Anything that is not Micro$oft (spelled lots and
> > lots of MONEY is not allowed).
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ruben I Safir [mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:04 PM
> > To: Michael Richardson
> > Cc: 'hangout -at- nylxs . com'
> > Subject: Re: [hangout] Borough Hall Proposal
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you have Applix?
> >
> > I'll send you the aw file.
> >
> >
> > On 2002.02.27 12:48 Michael Richardson wrote:
> > >
> > > 1)In the 2nd paragraph you have meeting which should be meets.
> > > 2)Give the definition of what free software is. Most people do not
> > > understand what it is and how it works. The first thought is it is some
> > > kind of scam. 2nd thought is if it is free how do they make money?
> > > 3)Let them know what can be used instead of (and can read) M$ Word and M$
> > > Excel. (This is a major sticking point).
> > > Michael
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ruben I Safir [mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:27 PM
> > > To: hangout-at-nylxs.com
> > > Subject: [hangout] Borough Hall Proposal
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For Review and Comment:
> > >
> > > NYLXS Borohall Proposal for Free Software
> > >
> > >
> > > Overview: Borohall Brooklyn is in need of an upgrade in it's computing
> > > facilities. It is the objective of the Borough Presidents office to bring
> > > to the facility a modern system of groupware services, desktop solutions,
> > > internet access, and web services, in the most cost cost efficient
> > possible
> > > for the benefit of the tax payer. In addition, a secondary objective of
> > the
> > > Borough Presidents office is to involve local Brooklyn businesses, groups
> > > and services in this effort.
> > >
> > > NYLXS is a Free Software organization which meeting largely in Brooklyn
> > and
> > > Manhattan. We propose that in order for the Borough Presidents Office to
> > > obtain it's objectives, it needs to use a system which is mostly based on
> > > Free Software. Free Software will give the lowest cost of total ownership
> > > to the tax payer for the following reasons:
> > >
> > > · No per seat Licensing fees
> > > · No upgrade costs
> > > · No need for special Virus software
> > > · Ease of administration
> > > · Ease of upgrade
> > > · Simplified Security
> > > · Infinitely expandable
> > > · Less Frequent Hardware upgrade needed
> > > · Ease of inter-operability
> > > · Better Tech Support
> > > · Proven Software Model
> > > · Built in groupware features
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter Cotton, the main contact point for the Borough Presidents Office
> > > underlined the following
> > > computer needs for the Borough Hall Offices at 802-3900 ext 3759. Jon
> > > Bobber, Ruben Safir and Kevin Millani meet for 2 hours with PEter
> > outlining
> > > his most basic needs for Borough Hall.
> > >
> > > Peter presented the following needs and concerns
> > >
> > > Web Server - BH wants to move the Web Services for Borough Presidents
> > office
> > > into Borough Hal, and away from the Brooklyn Public Library, as it is
> > > presently.
> > >
> > > Mail - BH needs to implement a reliable e-mail system. He suggested
> > > exchange, but we strongly recommended that exchange is insecure,
> > expensive,
> > > and will need huge sums of money spent on tech support and anti-virus
> > > software.
> > >
> > > Group wide Scheduling Software - BH is looking for a group wide scheduling
> > > system. Such a system is not much different than NYLXS's calendering
> > > programs.
> > >
> > > SA Server
> > > dewit
> > > 3270 - Terminals for the IBM systems are build into most Linux
> > distributions
> > > and pose no trouble.
> > > Final Management Systems
> > > Training - BH is concerned that the new systems will require some end user
> > > training. Both NYLXS and Brooklyn Linux Solutions can and will provide
> > > inexpensive training for all of Borough Hall
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > NYLXS Proposed Solutions:
> > >
> > > Web Services - NYLXS can install a perfectly adequate and an advanced
> > Apache
> > > Web Server appliance which will provide all the needed power and services
> > > which the Borough will need. Ruben Safir, as web site developer of
> > Brooklyn
> > > on Line, and NYLXS's systems has broad experience with both the type of
> > > development which will need to be done, and the level of serves which will
> > > be needed to provide adequate services for the Brooklyn Public. A basic
> > > Server can be installed and setup on new Hardware for cost of less than
> > > 1,100. A system specification such as this one through Brooklyn Linux
> > > Solutions is adequate:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Selected Base Price: $459.00
> > > /Upgrade Cost
> > > 3671,3443,2247 AMD Athlon 1.2GHz $163.00
> > > 3359 Asus A7V-KT133 ATA/100 Motherboard $24.00
> > > 1282 In-Win ATX Full Tower with 300 Watt Power Supply $18.00
> > > 2304,2304 512MB PC133 SDRAM Memory (Two 256MB DIMMs) $168.00
> > > 3991 20.4GB UDMA-4 ATA/100 5400RPM $0.00
> > > 3502 52x IDE CD-ROM $0.00 1082 1.44MB Floppy Drive $0.00
> > > 1239 Jaton Trident 4MB 2X AGP Video Card $0.00
> > > nosnd No Sound Card $0.00
> > > nomod No Modem $0.00 1077,
> > > 1077 Two 3COM 3C905B-TX 10/100 PCI Network Card $98.00
> > > nospeak No Speakers $0.00
> > > noprin No Printer $0.00
> > > SDFUTLV556 New 15inch Futura monitor .28mm Dot pitch $136.00
> > > 1802 104-Key PS/2 Keyboard $0.00 1295 Logitech First Mouse 3 Button Mouse
> > > $13.00 4315 Red Hat 7.1 GPL (CDROM Only) $0.00 Subtotal: $1,079.00
> > >
> > > Note that hardware pricing can change. In addition, you can expect a $200
> > > fee for setting up the servicer. and further costs from porting the
> > current
> > > website and training.
> > >
> > > Apache is THE CHOICE for Web services on the internet because it is free,
> > > secure, easy to maintain, and is a powerful applications server. The
> > Server
> > > should be set up with Apache, modperl, and embperl for a powerful mix
> > > services and flexibility which outperforms all closed sourced solutions.
> > In
> > > addition, NYLXS graduates through it's education program students trained
> > on
> > > this system who can volunteer to help, or be hired for tech support.
> > >
> > > Mail - Mail is Free on all Linux systems, secured and without limits. We
> > > will setup Sendmail and pop services to all clients connected to the
> > system.
> > > In addition, we will setup Secure DNS for mail routing. When users are
> > > created, they will be automatically added to the mail system. The system
> > is
> > > reliable and easy to maintain.
> > >
> > > Group wide Scheduling Software - Scheduling software has been developed
> > from
> > > Brooklyn Linux Solutions and we can easily Implement Most importantly
> > > about this is that we can extend this system and customize it for the
> > > Office, and even other outside contacts which Borough Hall might need to
> > > include in their family of friends. We have used this software
> > extensively
> > > and found it to be very reliable, and run off the MYSQL database system,
> > > making it extremely robust and flexible, yet inexpensive and easy to
> > > maintain. NYLXS has a number of qualified people to work with this
> > system.
> > > This system can be brought in for the cost of labor to setup, with no
> > > licensing fees.
> > >
> > > In addition, the evolution mail clients now include hooks for groupware
> > > services, scheduling and tasks listings.
> > >
> > > In addition to the savings of these system, they will be integrated into
> > > Free Software Desktops. These desktops are superior to Microsoft set up
> > in
> > > several respects. They are free of licensing cost, nearly virus proof,
> > easy
> > > to use and to train on, they are network ready out of the box, and free to
> > > upgrade. Borough Hall will have the advantage of being able to choose
> > from
> > > 10's of thousands of software package to fill every groupware and computer
> > > task, most for for free for now and into the future.
> > >
> > > SA Server -
> > >
> > > Dewit -
> > >
> > > 3270 - These terminals are built into the systems at no cost.
> > >
> > > Financial Management Systems - This system will require Borough Hall to
> > > provide specifics for before we can lay out a proposal. We should be able
> > > to make it work without any trouble.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In addition, NYLXS would like to include the file manager needs of the
> > > Office. It is likely that file sharing and transferring will be a part of
> > > the eventual internal solution for the Offices.
> > >
> > > Linux makes a superb file sharing network system. A computer equal to the
> > > Web server should be able to service most of Borough Hall. In addition,
> > we
> > > can use in build in VPN solutions to make files and the system available
> > > securely to other buildings in the City infrastructure using FreesWan.
> > > Setting this up will cost less than $2000 in labor, and no per seat
> > > licensing for the server. It functions with Windows clients, as well as
> > Mac
> > > Clients and Free Software Clients.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > __________________________
> > >
> > > Brooklyn Linux Solutions
> > > __________________________
> > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
> > > http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn
> > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > > http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy
> > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and
> > > articles from around the net
> > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/sins.mp3 - C'est La Vie and a boy named Joe
> > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn....
> > >
> > > 1-718-382-5752
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________________________
> > > New Yorker Linux Users Scene
> > > Fair Use -
> > > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > > ____________________________
> > > New Yorker Linux Users Scene
> > > Fair Use -
> > > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > >
> > --
> > __________________________
> >
> > Brooklyn Linux Solutions
> > __________________________
> > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
> > http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn
> > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy
> > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and
> > articles from around the net
> > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/sins.mp3 - C'est La Vie and a boy named Joe
> > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn....
> >
> > 1-718-382-5752
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________
> > New Yorker Linux Users Scene
> > Fair Use -
> > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > ____________________________
> > New Yorker Linux Users Scene
> > Fair Use -
> > because it's either fair use or useless....
> >
>
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