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| DATE | 2001-12-01 |
| FROM | Jon
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] We are just not doing enough...
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On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 06:40:21PM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> Hmm
> This is not completely fair.
> >>jon-at-home$ cd nylug
> >>jon-at-home$ tail logfile
> >> r: you're a fucking moron
> >> j: that's it, you're off the list!
> >> b: screw this, if you kick people for the F word, I'm leaving
> >> r: lets go start NYLXS
>
> NYLXS was started not just because of those events (which ahppen to have
> occurred around September 11th). It's a result of an ongoing dispute
> within NYLUG on many fronts.
>
Ok, I have to apologize, that wasn't totally clear.
NYLXS was created to fill a gap...NYLUG has its place as an informal
gathering of linux users, and serves that need well. NYLXS meets
the demand for political action in safegaurding a linux future and
getting linux "out there" alongside the knowledge (/ | of) rights
important to using it. I definitely didn't mean to imply that
NYLXS was started as a "fine I'll start my own LUG" group, but re-reading
what I wrote it could easily be construed as such. It was meant to be
a reminder to many persons on this list, in case they forgot what many
voiced quite loudly not so long ago...the "controversy is bad" attitude
just doesn't work...and this is NOT directed at you, Ruben, but more at
the persons reading this that would block out the sun if it burns them.
Those almost-mentioned events, to the non-NYLUG'rs and new list members,
are wholly irrelevant to the current discussion. Please disregard.
> >>jon-at-home$ cd nylxs ; tail logfile
> >> d: you're a fucking moron
> >> r: that's it, we're voting to see if you should be off the list!
> Key word is VOTING
> That was why NYLXS was formed. To empower MEMBERSHIP.
> In any event, I agree with Billy. Voting on this in this manner is unfair.
> >> b: screw this, if you kick people for the F word, I'm leaving
> >>
> >>*sigh* the dance continues. Anyone want to come join my LUG? I
> >>have a nice treehouse where you can freely tell me to go fuck myself,
> >>and should probably do so often...until I kick you.
>
> No it's not, although I understand the sentiment. This is not a LUG in
> the pure sense, and absolutely do not/ did not/ and never want to/ dilute
> NYLUG.
see above.
> >>Dana's contempt is equally
> >>important to my convictions as the affirmation of them by everyone else.
> Maybe, but I won't let the Memberships will become diminish by a single
> person. The key to a representitive Democracy in any organizaiton is the
> balence of minority rights and majority rule. We'll see how things turn
> out.
>
Since you said it's unfair to vote on this issue without real membership, I
completely agree. After the membership...well, we'll hope everyone makes
the right decision with their vote. And I *really* hope they do. Anarchy is
fair, but can be very unproductive...but yay or nay without scale and
objectivity is a self-destruct button [1]. Here's to intelligent debate without
personal attacks and useless flame-wars...those things that serve only to
blind the voter.
- Jon
[1] - In the USA, see DMCA and SSSCA; Africa/Guatemala, see WTO and IMF.
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NYLXS: it's just crazy enough to work.
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